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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Curran [mailto:jcurran@istaff.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> discuss@1net.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Will there be life on 1net after IANA is globalized? (:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b><i><span style='color:#1F497D'>[MG>] </span></i></b><span style='color:#1F497D'>snip</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In reviewing the materials for the meeting, there does indeed seem to be a presumption<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>that a multistakeholder approach is the appropriate model for conducting the discussions<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(for example, one can look at the meeting title itself) If you have a significant concern with <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>the NetMundial structure, that's probably something that would be best to take up with the <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>convener.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[MG>] well since I/we were deliberately excluded from making an active contribution to the formulation of these issues by the actions of 1Net and its lack of legitimate process, transparency, accountability, or capacity to accommodate effective diversity (i.e. normative (rather than identity) diversity); your comment is shall we say, rather bizarre and one which in itself (and including its broader context) represents the necessary evidence for a deep questioning of how legitimate (as a substitute for democratic processes) at a practical level MSism will be outside of the narrow technical confines of the IETF or ICANN. </span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'll note that 1net discussion list is trying to catalyze community-wide efforts "towards the <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>evolution of global multistakeholder Internet cooperation", so it also might be predisposed <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>towards such multistakeholder approaches... <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[MG>] see above</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do you know of many folks who are interested in discussion of non-multistakeholder <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>approaches to this problem? Perhaps if you could write up an alternative proposal, we<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>can strive to discuss it on this list (and ask that you tolerate any potential selection bias<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>in current list participants?)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[MG>] You are again mis-presenting the issue. The question is not “multistakeholder” vis “non-multistakeholder” but rather the way in which the process is undertaken—how it handles or not things like (normative) diversity, conflict, threats, conflicts of interest, capture and so on. No one I think, would argue that the various groups/interests/”stakeholders” shouldn’t be involved in the discussions concerning matters of Internet governance but the question is what are the rules that govern those processes and how is an assurance provided that the process and the outcome is in the global interest rather than being subverted to support one or another (or combination) of private/sectional/national interests. <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So far I have yet to hear anything concerning these. All I hear are repeated statements that MSism is all good things for all good people, but no recognition that in the absence of clarity around rules and regs and including processes for their enforcement all we are being asked to buy are repeated incantations of “trust me” from folks among whom have to be included tax dodgers, Internet “arsonists”, self-absorbed techies, and a rather large collection of folks who have no interest in or understanding of what might be meant by a “global public interest” and certainly little interest in pursuing in their deliberations and decision making much beyond narrow corporate or national self-interests.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As an aside It is extremely refreshing to note that Civil Society active in global trade issues is coming to recognize the false and misleading promise of “MSism” and are now insisting that the public interest needs to be put ahead of corporate interests in the conduct of global trade negotiations such as the TTIP.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>/John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Disclaimer: My views alone.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>