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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Clearly I wasn’t saying any of the things you put forth, and I can’t see how you would get any of those from what I saying, unless you are just trying to be
provocative.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think you have some fairly clear explanations of how the MS model works in practice at one organization (ICANN) and can fairly easily see how it works (a
bit differently) at another organization (IETF).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">How the multistakeholder model would be implemented elsewhere in an Internet Governance context would be up to those implementing it. It would probably resemble
both ICANN multistakeholderism and IETF multistakeholderism, yet have some differences. Such is the nature of implementing any type of governance model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I can’t see how you can state, based on what’s been written, that the IETF and ICANN models of MSism are not in fact what MSism is, unless you are trying to
be provocative. They are both very much implementations of the Multistakeholder Model. So, whatever “clarity” you think you have is completely misguided.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve given you and pointed you to links for a clear exposition of the multistakeholder model in practice. If you want a clear exposition of the theoretical
model of Multistakeholder governance, I’m sure you can find one. Rather than waiting, you should be proactive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If there’s someone on this list participating from the USG, they can choose to speak to your last request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Greg Shatan
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'McTim'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Shatan, Gregory S.; 'George Sadowsky'; '1Net List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [discuss] Will there be life on 1net after IANA is globalized? (:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Well, since I’m still waiting for answers to my questions concerning specifics with regard to “MSism” I was a bit grasping at straws since both Alejandro and
Greg were making such confident assertions about the radiant “nature of MSism”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And it is good to get some clarity if only negative concerning what we are discussing i.e. we now know that the (relatively well developed) IETF and ICANN models
of MSism are not in fact what MSism is. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We still however, await some clear exposition as to what MSism is.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Surely the US government which mentioned MSism 12 times in their one page presentation to NetMundial (or other of MSism’s exponents) could point us to some
definitive exposition as to what they mean by a term which they are espousing with such abandon and which presumably the NetMundial meeting will be under some pressure to endorse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a> [<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>McTim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Shatan, Gregory S.; George Sadowsky; 1Net List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Will there be life on 1net after IANA is globalized? (:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 4:47 AM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Interesting response Greg (and Alejandro…
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Are you both saying that MSism as currently being presented for Internet Governance will be a part
of ICANN and thus operate within the rules and practices of ICANN?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">neither are saying this from what i gather.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And is this something that the various other proponents of MSism have agreed to?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">nor are they saying this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If this is the case then I believe that it changes everything in that ICANN now becomes the global
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<p class="MsoNormal">but it is not the case that the above assertions were made.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">rgds,<o:p></o:p></p>
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