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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Agreed, but I will note however that the question of phasing out NTIA's oversight of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp; IANA is not necessarily the same question as determining structures for &quot;broad based<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp; Internet Governance&quot;...&nbsp;&nbsp; much of that depends on what you expect the oversight role<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp; to cover: simply IANA tasks (which are administrative/clerical in nature) or the entire<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp; registry system, including oversight of policy development, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I would certainly expect that the post-NTIA oversight role over IANA would be limited to the IANA tasks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Creating a new oversight body over the “the entire registry system, including oversight of policy development, etc.” would be like creating an ICANN on top
 of ICANN.&nbsp; That can’t be the goal here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> discuss-bounces@1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Curran<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> comptoir@cafedu.com; 1Net List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] [governance] U.S. to Give Up Oversight of Web Policymaking Body<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 15, 2014, at 5:19 PM, michael gurstein &lt;<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp;Agreed, but&nbsp;I will note however that the question of phasing out NTIA's oversight of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp;IANA&nbsp;is not&nbsp;necessarily the same question as determining structures for &quot;broad based<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp;Internet&nbsp;Governance&quot;... &nbsp; much of that depends on what you expect the oversight role<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp;to cover: simply IANA tasks (which are administrative/clerical in nature) or the entire<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp;registry system, including oversight of policy development, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. an articulation of goals, norms, values to underlie whatever structures of governance are established e.g.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 the proposed mechanism have sufficient means to ensure accountability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">And of course these lists are not complete nor without controversy. In fact, a first order of business should be the review of these lists and the development of a process
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; Your process above (and initial lists) seem like an excellent suggestion on how<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; to start this process (and hopefully will be considered by those on this list). &nbsp;I do&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; know know what process has been envisioned for development of IANA transition<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; plan (other than the materials accompanying the NTIA release) nor what aspects<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; of Netmundial discussion on Internet governance will touch on these topics...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;Good question - I am not aware of any such studies with respect to IETF processes; I am&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;sure that folks on this list can suggest several critical analyses of ICANN's MS decisional<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;processes (simply because ICANN tends to get more attention than the IETF in general)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">/John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Disclaimer: My views alone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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