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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>snip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Agreed, but I will note however that the question of phasing out NTIA's oversight of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> IANA is not necessarily the same question as determining structures for "broad based<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Internet Governance"... much of that depends on what you expect the oversight role<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> to cover: simply IANA tasks (which are administrative/clerical in nature) or the entire<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> registry system, including oversight of policy development, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>snip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would certainly expect that the post-NTIA oversight role over IANA would be limited to the IANA tasks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Creating a new oversight body over the “the entire registry system, including oversight of policy development, etc.” would be like creating an ICANN on top
of ICANN. That can’t be the goal here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Greg Shatan
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> discuss-bounces@1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Curran<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> comptoir@cafedu.com; 1Net List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] [governance] U.S. to Give Up Oversight of Web Policymaking Body<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 15, 2014, at 5:19 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As I mentioned before, I think it is unrealistic to expect proposals concerning broad based Internet Governance structures to be pulled holus bolus out of a hat...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Agreed, but I will note however that the question of phasing out NTIA's oversight of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> IANA is not necessarily the same question as determining structures for "broad based<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Internet Governance"... much of that depends on what you expect the oversight role<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> to cover: simply IANA tasks (which are administrative/clerical in nature) or the entire<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> 1. an articulation of goals, norms, values to underlie whatever structures of governance are established e.g.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">And of course these lists are not complete nor without controversy. In fact, a first order of business should be the review of these lists and the development of a process
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Your process above (and initial lists) seem like an excellent suggestion on how<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> to start this process (and hopefully will be considered by those on this list). I do <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> know know what process has been envisioned for development of IANA transition<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> plan (other than the materials accompanying the NTIA release) nor what aspects<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> of Netmundial discussion on Internet governance will touch on these topics...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A (preferably critical and independent) analysis of the MS experience with the IETF and ICANN processes would be a useful place to start but recognizing the highly significant
differences between decisions made concerning largely technical issues and decisions made concerning largely policy/”political” issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Good question - I am not aware of any such studies with respect to IETF processes; I am <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> sure that folks on this list can suggest several critical analyses of ICANN's MS decisional<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> processes (simply because ICANN tends to get more attention than the IETF in general)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">/John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Disclaimer: My views alone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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