<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I would like to know if there will be a ministerial session at Netmundial. Also where can we find the draft Programme?<br><br><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Best regards,</span></div><div>--------</div><br><div>Makane Faye (Mr.)</div><div>Chief of Section</div><div>Knowledge Management and Library Services (KLSS)</div><div><div>Public Information and Knowledge Management Division (PIKMD)</div><div><span style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; font-size: 18px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">New Building, 9th floor, Office N30</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">United Nations Economic Commission for Africa (ECA)</span></div><div>P.O. Box 3001 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia</div></div><div>Tel: +251 11 5443563; Ext. 33563</div><div>Fax: +251 11 5514416 / +251 11 54411458</div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:mfaye@uneca.org">mfaye@uneca.org</a>; <span style="font-size: 13pt;"><a href="mailto:faymakane@gmail.com">faymakane@gmail.com</a></span></div><div><a href="http://facebook.com/makane.faye.eca">facebook.com/makane.faye.eca</a></div><div>twitter: @makaneeca</div><div>Skype: makaneaddis</div></div><div><br>On Mar 20, 2014, at 23:42, <a href="mailto:discuss-request@1net.org">discuss-request@1net.org</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Send discuss mailing list submissions to</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span><br><span> <a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a></span><br><span>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:discuss-request@1net.org">discuss-request@1net.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>You can reach the person managing the list at</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:discuss-owner@1net.org">discuss-owner@1net.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</span><br><span>than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..."</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Today's Topics:</span><br><span></span><br><span> 1. Re: [governance] NTIA statement (S Moonesamy)</span><br><span> 2. Re: [governance] NTIA statement (John Springer)</span><br><span> 3. Re: [governance] NTIA statement (John Springer)</span><br><span> 4. Re: [governance] NTIA statement (McTim)</span><br><span> 5. Re: [governance] NTIA statement (Jefsey)</span><br><span> 6. Re: [governance] NTIA statement (Norbert Bollow)</span><br><span> 7. AfICTA Statement on the NTIA Announcement (<a href="mailto:jolufuye@aficta.org">jolufuye@aficta.org</a>)</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>----------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 1</span><br><span>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 06:30:45 -0700</span><br><span>From: S Moonesamy <<a href="mailto:sm+1net@elandsys.com">sm+1net@elandsys.com</a>></span><br><span>To: McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>>, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span><br><span>Cc: <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] NTIA statement</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:6.2.5.6.2.20140320060949.0d5418f0@resistor.net">6.2.5.6.2.20140320060949.0d5418f0@resistor.net</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi McTim,</span><br><span>At 03:58 20-03-2014, McTim wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't know what you are looking for here.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Mr Bollow was asking for the source of information to verify </span><br><span>it. There was a message originating from Syracuse University in </span><br><span>which the information is attributed to ICANN Staff (msg-id: </span><br><span><a href="mailto:855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD257E43E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu">855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD257E43E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu</a>).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Regards,</span><br><span>S. Moonesamy </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 2</span><br><span>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT)</span><br><span>From: John Springer <<a href="mailto:springer@inlandnet.com">springer@inlandnet.com</a>></span><br><span>To: Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span><br><span>Cc: 1Net List <<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] NTIA statement</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:alpine.BSF.2.00.1403200822530.4915@mail.inlandnet.com">alpine.BSF.2.00.1403200822530.4915@mail.inlandnet.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed</span><br><span></span><br><span>Gentlemen,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Wherever else the statements in question are recorded, at this location:</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://www.internetcommerce.org/Secret_ICANN">http://www.internetcommerce.org/Secret_ICANN</a> , the author says that:</span><br><span></span><br><span>"ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade told members of its GNSO Council in Buenos Aires </span><br><span>this morning" [11/17/2013] ... "Chehade stressed in his remarks that the </span><br><span>Brazil meeting was meant to supplement the Internet Governance Forum but </span><br><span>would not produce decisions and would eschew topics (including, </span><br><span>emphatically, surveillance issues raised by the Snowden NSA revelations), </span><br><span>and be limited to discussing frameworks and principles."</span><br><span></span><br><span>I don't immediately find relevant transcripts, perhaps someone with better </span><br><span>google fu...</span><br><span></span><br><span>John Springer</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Norbert Bollow wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't know what you are looking for here.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would you like to deny that he said that?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would you like to deny that a link to a video in which he said that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>was posted?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi McTim</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If Fadi indeed said what you claim he said then I want to be able to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>understand the context, quote his statement, and give the source.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If on the other hand the assertion about Fadi having said this in a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>well-publicized video cannot be substantiated, I'd request that that</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>assertion be withdrawn.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If it wasn't on governance, perhaps it was on BB or 1net.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I know he said it, I don't know if he meant it, I know that a link to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the video was posted and discussed.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rgds,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've now looked in the archives of governance list... in your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>postings from that time period, there is precisely one link to a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>video of Fadi, this one:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-governanca-da-internet-em-2014/">http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-governanca-da-internet-em-2014/</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>That video does not contain any basis for your claim about Fadi</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>having said something along the lines of "if surveillance were</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>discussed, ICANN would pull out."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Am Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:54:43 -0400</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>schrieb McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>>:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We discussed this months ago on the governance list, it is in one</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>of the first video interviews</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>he made post NetMundial announcement. I pointed at it then, you'll</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>have to look in the archives.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rgds,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:16 AM, parminder</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Agree, developments on the ICANN oversight issue do not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>constitute any real response to mass surveillance problem. And</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>since NetMundial came out of a series of events directly</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>connected to the mass surveillance problem, and which is the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>main reason the 'global community' invested into it, it is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>only fair to the people across the world that we have</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. discussions on this issues</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You must recall Fadi saying in the very early days that if</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>surveillance were discussed, ICANN would pull out.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>When and where precisely did Fadi say this? Is there a recording</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and/or transcript available?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>discuss mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 3</span><br><span>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 09:10:42 -0700 (PDT)</span><br><span>From: John Springer <<a href="mailto:springer@inlandnet.com">springer@inlandnet.com</a>></span><br><span>To: Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span><br><span>Cc: 1Net List <<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] NTIA statement</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:alpine.BSF.2.00.1403200903070.4915@mail.inlandnet.com">alpine.BSF.2.00.1403200903070.4915@mail.inlandnet.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed</span><br><span></span><br><span>Found the transcript:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Very long URL shortened, <a href="http://goo.gl/0HsmQr">http://goo.gl/0HsmQr</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>and for those that don't like obfuscated URLs, google</span><br><span>gnso buenos aires transcript fadi 17 surveillance</span><br><span>top result</span><br><span></span><br><span>excerpt from page 8, fadi Chehade speaking :</span><br><span></span><br><span>"Last thing I want to tell you is that we have assurances at the highest </span><br><span>level now that the Brazil meeting will not include topics. It will not </span><br><span>include topics. For all of us running around saying it's a summit about </span><br><span>surveillance, it's neither a summit, it's neither about surveillance. </span><br><span>Okay, let's be very comfortable with that."</span><br><span></span><br><span>see also page 19</span><br><span></span><br><span>John Springer</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, John Springer wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Gentlemen,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Wherever else the statements in question are recorded, at this location:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.internetcommerce.org/Secret_ICANN">http://www.internetcommerce.org/Secret_ICANN</a> , the author says that:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade told members of its GNSO Council in Buenos Aires this </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>morning" [11/17/2013] ... "Chehade stressed in his remarks that the Brazil </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>meeting was meant to supplement the Internet Governance Forum but would not </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>produce decisions and would eschew topics (including, emphatically, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>surveillance issues raised by the Snowden NSA revelations), and be limited to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>discussing frameworks and principles."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't immediately find relevant transcripts, perhaps someone with better </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>google fu...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>John Springer</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Norbert Bollow wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't know what you are looking for here.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would you like to deny that he said that?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would you like to deny that a link to a video in which he said that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>was posted?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If Fadi indeed said what you claim he said then I want to be able to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>understand the context, quote his statement, and give the source.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If on the other hand the assertion about Fadi having said this in a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>well-publicized video cannot be substantiated, I'd request that that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>assertion be withdrawn.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If it wasn't on governance, perhaps it was on BB or 1net.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I know he said it, I don't know if he meant it, I know that a link to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the video was posted and discussed.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rgds,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've now looked in the archives of governance list... in your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>postings from that time period, there is precisely one link to a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>video of Fadi, this one:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-governanca-da-internet-em-2014/">http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-governanca-da-internet-em-2014/</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>That video does not contain any basis for your claim about Fadi</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>having said something along the lines of "if surveillance were</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>discussed, ICANN would pull out."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Am Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:54:43 -0400</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>schrieb McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>>:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We discussed this months ago on the governance list, it is in one</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>of the first video interviews</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>he made post NetMundial announcement. I pointed at it then, you'll</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>have to look in the archives.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rgds,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:16 AM, parminder</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Agree, developments on the ICANN oversight issue do not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>constitute any real response to mass surveillance problem. And</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>since NetMundial came out of a series of events directly</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>connected to the mass surveillance problem, and which is the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>main reason the 'global community' invested into it, it is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>only fair to the people across the world that we have</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. discussions on this issues</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You must recall Fadi saying in the very early days that if</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>surveillance were discussed, ICANN would pull out.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>When and where precisely did Fadi say this? Is there a recording</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and/or transcript available?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>discuss mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>discuss mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 4</span><br><span>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:40:08 -0400</span><br><span>From: McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>To: John Springer <<a href="mailto:springer@inlandnet.com">springer@inlandnet.com</a>></span><br><span>Cc: 1Net List <<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] NTIA statement</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:CACAaNxiqbiXXJdJNmAH-rZPOZXW0129=H7+T3sURgSh0_Lgw_g@mail.gmail.com">CACAaNxiqbiXXJdJNmAH-rZPOZXW0129=H7+T3sURgSh0_Lgw_g@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks for that John, good to know I wasn't imagining it!</span><br><span></span><br><span>rgds,</span><br><span></span><br><span>McTim</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM, John Springer <<a href="mailto:springer@inlandnet.com">springer@inlandnet.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Gentlemen,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Wherever else the statements in question are recorded, at this location:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.internetcommerce.org/Secret_ICANN">http://www.internetcommerce.org/Secret_ICANN</a> , the author says that:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade told members of its GNSO Council in Buenos Aires</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>this morning" [11/17/2013] ... "Chehade stressed in his remarks that the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Brazil meeting was meant to supplement the Internet Governance Forum but</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>would not produce decisions and would eschew topics (including,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>emphatically, surveillance issues raised by the Snowden NSA revelations),</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and be limited to discussing frameworks and principles."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't immediately find relevant transcripts, perhaps someone with better</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>google fu...</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>John Springer</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Norbert Bollow wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't know what you are looking for here.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would you like to deny that he said that?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Would you like to deny that a link to a video in which he said that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>was posted?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If Fadi indeed said what you claim he said then I want to be able to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>understand the context, quote his statement, and give the source.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If on the other hand the assertion about Fadi having said this in a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>well-publicized video cannot be substantiated, I'd request that that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>assertion be withdrawn.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If it wasn't on governance, perhaps it was on BB or 1net.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I know he said it, I don't know if he meant it, I know that a link to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the video was posted and discussed.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rgds,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've now looked in the archives of governance list... in your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>postings from that time period, there is precisely one link to a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>video of Fadi, this one:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-governanca-da-internet-em-2014/">http://blog.planalto.gov.br/brasil-vai-sediar-encontro-mundial-sobre-governanca-da-internet-em-2014/</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>That video does not contain any basis for your claim about Fadi</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>having said something along the lines of "if surveillance were</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>discussed, ICANN would pull out."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Am Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:54:43 -0400</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>schrieb McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>>:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We discussed this months ago on the governance list, it is in one</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>of the first video interviews</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>he made post NetMundial announcement. I pointed at it then, you'll</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>have to look in the archives.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rgds,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim <<a href="mailto:mctimconsulting@gmail.com">mctimconsulting@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:16 AM, parminder</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Agree, developments on the ICANN oversight issue do not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>constitute any real response to mass surveillance problem. And</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>since NetMundial came out of a series of events directly</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>connected to the mass surveillance problem, and which is the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>main reason the 'global community' invested into it, it is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>only fair to the people across the world that we have</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. discussions on this issues</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You must recall Fadi saying in the very early days that if</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>surveillance were discussed, ICANN would pull out.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>When and where precisely did Fadi say this? Is there a recording</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and/or transcript available?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Greetings,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Norbert</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>discuss mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 5</span><br><span>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 18:12:22 +0100</span><br><span>From: Jefsey <<a href="mailto:jefsey@jefsey.com">jefsey@jefsey.com</a>></span><br><span>To: John Springer <<a href="mailto:springer@inlandnet.com">springer@inlandnet.com</a>>,Norbert Bollow</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span><br><span>Cc: 1Net List <<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] NTIA statement</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:mailman.1023.1395348151.11625.discuss@1net.org">mailman.1023.1395348151.11625.discuss@1net.org</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed</span><br><span></span><br><span>At 17:10 20/03/2014, John Springer wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>excerpt from page 8, fadi Chehade speaking :</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"Last thing I want to tell you is that we have assurances at the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>highest level now that the Brazil meeting will not include topics. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It will not include topics. For all of us running around saying it's </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>a summit about surveillance, it's neither a summit, it's neither </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>about surveillance. Okay, let's be very comfortable with that."</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic%E2%80%93comment">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic%E2%80%93comment</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>We can feel confortable, the Brazil meeting will be about a nice cup </span><br><span>of tea, or a mug of cofee. It will only include comments on not a </span><br><span>single topic.</span><br><span></span><br><span>At last we know why some people on this list are going to spend in </span><br><span>T&L to&in Sao Paulo (just after Singapore) much more money than </span><br><span>needed by a FLOSS group to upgrade the Internet: this is NOT for </span><br><span>something on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summit_%28disambiguation%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summit_%28disambiguation%29</a> list.</span><br><span></span><br><span>In terms of surveillance; nominees for the Sao Paulo award are:</span><br><span></span><br><span>- ICANN for WhoIs</span><br><span>- NSA for PRISM</span><br><span>- ??? for Snowdenia</span><br><span>- IANA for "The Unique Authoritative Root" (Special April 1st Prize & </span><br><span>30th Anniversary)</span><br><span></span><br><span>jfc </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 6</span><br><span>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 19:31:13 +0100</span><br><span>From: Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span><br><span>To: John Springer <<a href="mailto:springer@inlandnet.com">springer@inlandnet.com</a>></span><br><span>Cc: 1Net List <<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] NTIA statement</span><br><span>Message-ID: <20140320193113.062643a6@quill></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8</span><br><span></span><br><span>John Springer <<a href="mailto:springer@inlandnet.com">springer@inlandnet.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Found the transcript:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Very long URL shortened, <a href="http://goo.gl/0HsmQr">http://goo.gl/0HsmQr</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and for those that don't like obfuscated URLs, google</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>gnso buenos aires transcript fadi 17 surveillance</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>top result</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Thank you so much John for pointing me to the right document!!!</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>see also page 19</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>which has the following text that very closely matches McTim's claim:</span><br><span></span><br><span>"And as I told you before, they were in Bali talking about putting</span><br><span>surveillance on the agenda, right? And we engaged them and we said, no,</span><br><span>you want to put surveillance as the agenda? Count us out, we're done.</span><br><span>We're not coming. And it was fine because we were frankly being very</span><br><span>direct with them. So it's not - no topics will be discussed in Brazil,</span><br><span>period. No topics. The only things that will be on the agenda is what</span><br><span>we said from the beginning: We can talk about high level principles and</span><br><span>we can talk about institutional frameworks, no topics. We can talk</span><br><span>about how we do Internet governance, not what do we do about a certain</span><br><span>topic." (Fadi Chehad?, 17 November 2013.)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Now knowing what specific session to look for, it wasn't too hard to</span><br><span>also find the audio recording; it can be downloaded from</span><br><span><a href="http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/schedule/sun-gnso-working/audio-gnso-working-3-17nov13-en">http://buenosaires48.icann.org/en/schedule/sun-gnso-working/audio-gnso-working-3-17nov13-en</a> .</span><br><span></span><br><span>I have verified on the basis of the audio recording that the</span><br><span>above-quoted transcript section is accurate.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Greetings,</span><br><span>Norbert</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 7</span><br><span>Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:42:26 -0700</span><br><span>From: <<a href="mailto:jolufuye@aficta.org">jolufuye@aficta.org</a>></span><br><span>To: <a href="mailto:Discuss@1net.org">Discuss@1net.org</a>, <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net">africann@afrinic.net</a></span><br><span>Subject: [discuss] AfICTA Statement on the NTIA Announcement</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:20140320134226.afe55ebc6ef4c5f2145e08229a07a40e.cd5e822da0.wbe@email14.secureserver.net">20140320134226.afe55ebc6ef4c5f2145e08229a07a40e.cd5e822da0.wbe@email14.secureserver.net</a>></span><br><span> </span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"</span><br><span></span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20140320/19df8eeb/attachment.html">http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20140320/19df8eeb/attachment.html</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>discuss mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://1net-mail1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://1net-mail1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>End of discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 198</span><br><span>***************************************</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>