<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:47 PM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">No, not normal. especially if a particular standards body (1) makes decisions that are very crucial to public interest, and (2) have no 'public' oversight mechanism which itself could be ensured to be fully independent of private funding..... And IETF qualifies by both criteria.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><blockquote cite="mid:bb359090bbfd4ab288491452a13d0898@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu" type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"></blockquote></blockquote><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div>Parminder - </div><div> </div><div> Could you elaborate on the first point? I'm at a loss how the IETF makes</div><div> public policy decisions, except in the rare cases where there is a protocol</div><div> tradeoff which effectively embeds a particular public policy norm into its </div><div> operation (and these are quite rare)</div><div><br></div><div> For example, the IETF folks (collectively) recognize that there is a norm</div><div> with regards to personally identifiable information being used in protocols,</div><div> and hence makes efforts to include an encryption option for those who </div><div> desire. </div><div> </div><div> Given that the IETF protocols are voluntarily used, could explain how</div><div> "crucial to public interest" decisions happen? Aren't governments </div><div> supposed to engage in laws/rulemaking when there are issues that</div><div> are crucial to public interest?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>/John</div><div><br></div><div>Disclaimer: My views alone.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br></body></html>