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A good idea that we can all abide by immediately in our individual
capacities, but perhaps we should also ask the steering committee to
adopt?<br>
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We (Adiel? sorry that collective action results in singular work,
and thank you for it...) may also wish to send a mailing to
subscribers to the list who may have moved Discuss into a filter
that there is am emerging focus which may be reason for them to give
it another go?<br>
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Joe<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/26/2014 2:04 AM, Stephanie Perrin
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Excellent list guidelines which I shall take to heart. Thanks for
taking the time to try to fix this problem. I for one, certainly
need to hear people’s views on Internet Governance, preferably
prior to the Sao Paulo meeting.
<div>Kind regards, </div>
<div>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div>On Mar 26, 2014, at 1:47 AM, John Curran <<a
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<div>George -</div>
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<div> An excellent post - in keeping with the
terminology suggested,</div>
<div> I agree with the problem you've identified, as
well as agreeing</div>
<div> with your proposed solution.</div>
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<div> Personally, I see no reason not to follow your
proposed list</div>
<div> guidelines starting now, and I shall do so. I
also would suggest</div>
<div> that the 1net steering committee take the
guidelines under </div>
<div> consideration and adopt them (or something
similar) promptly </div>
<div> if they wish to maintain usability of the 1net
forum.</div>
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<div>Thanks!<br>
/John</div>
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<div>Disclaimer: My views alone.</div>
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On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:24 PM, "George Sadowsky" <<a
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<div><span style="font-size: 11pt;">All,</span></div>
<div> </div>
<div>I have real concern regarding the future of
this list. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>There have now been more than 2,000 posts to
the list. I’m sure that they have been useful
for a number of proposes, including edition for
people who read the list, presentation of
approaches to =Internet governance,
clarification of views, definitions of problems,
and approaches to solving them.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Yet for all of its richness for time to time,
the ratio of signal to noise on the list has
been quite low, and there has not been (in my
opinion) any significant movement to defining
and solving problems in internet governance. I
have observed the following:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>- some detailed description of some
historical periods in Internet technology</div>
<div> </div>
<div>- significant theoretical discussion of
issues in political science</div>
<div> </div>
<div>- a schism between people who want to live
with the current Internet and others who argue
for a very different approach</div>
<div> </div>
<div>- substantial circular arguments regarding
political systems that appear to have as the
goal the comparison and potential resolution of
two particular people’s points of view</div>
<div> </div>
<div>- a great deal of negative feeling (both
subtle and overt) directed at some people who
post</div>
<div> </div>
<div>- ad hominem, disdainful, impolite and
destructive attacks with no stated basis of fact</div>
<div> </div>
<div>- substantial ignorance of the Internet
coupled with a lack of willingness to learn from
other posts</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The combined effect of these issue has been
to paralyze the list’s ability from time to time
to address real problems in Internet
governance. The negative behavior and the lack
of serious postings have caused a significant
number of people to unsubscribe, when they could
have contributed to the various discussions.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>In short, we need to do better or this list
will degenerate, much as similar lists have done
in the past. There seems to be a kind of
Gresham’s law (bad money drives out good money)
operating here, where 'bad posts' drive out
people who are interested in making ‘good’
posts.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>This list has promise, and Internet
governance needs help. At present, we are
wasting the opportunity that this list offers.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>NTIA has asked ICANN to coordinate the search
for a transfer of responsibility for the IANA
functions away from the US Government to a new
environment. The search should involve a much
larger community that just ICANN. ICANN has
said that the content of the 1net list will be a
definite contribution to this search. Therefore
anyone with an Internet connection, regardless
of time or place, can contribute to this
conversation. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>That’s the potential value of this list.
Let’s exploit it.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>LIST ETIQUETTE AND EXPECTATIONS</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Based upon experience so far with this list,
I’d like to suggest some possible guidelines for
list use.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>1. The list has a purpose: it is an open,
global online forum about Internet governance.
It encourages multiple stakeholder discussion
regarding issues of Internet governance, with a
view to finding solutions for the myriad of
Internet governance issues that now exist. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>2. Posts to the list should be consistent
with the objective of the list. Ideally, most
threads should start with an issue, and
subsequent posts should move the thread toward a
solution (whether a solution is ultimately
reached or not).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>3. Everyone on this list has a right to be
heard, by posting on this list.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>4. When posting on the list, it’s important
to be respectful of the opinions of others, and
to be as constructive as possible when offering
your opinions.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>5. Successful posts use vocabulary that is
simple and whose meaning is well-understood by
readers of the list. Successful posts are
formatted with some care so that they are
easily readable by others.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>6. Subject lines should clearly reflect the
subject of the post. When posts diverge, the
subject line should be changed.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>7. List readers have some obligation to
review posts to the list, i.e. to listen, and to
determine by themselves the value of the
information posted.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>8. List readers have the right to _not_
listen to or respond to repeated posts with
common themes that have already been posted,
perhaps many times.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>9. If there are no responses to a post,
posters should not assume that the material they
have posted has been agreed to by readers.
People on the list generally have busy lives,
and often will not respond to posts. Statements
such as “no one on the list has refuted my
statement yet" should not lead to the assumption
that others agree with it. It is equally likely
that the post is judged to be incorrect or
irrelevant. Readers have no obligation to
correct erroneous material that has been posted
to the list by others.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>10. When there are clearly divergent views on
a subject that appear to be irreconcilable, then
little is accomplished by continuing the
conversation. It may be better for those
participants to continue their discussion on
separate lists. Sometimes It’s useful to do an
approximate cluster analysis of the participants
and their positions in order to identify
like-minded groups that may be better off
continuing their various discussions separately.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>CONCLUSION</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I would very much like to see some
constructive responses to this post. In the
next day or so, I’ll post an updated problem for
possible discussion. To the extent that it
generates discussion, I very much hope that it
will be constructive and offer ideas that have
relevance for attacking current issues in
Internet governance.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thank you for reading this post.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>George Sadowsky </div>
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