<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Brian E Carpenter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com" target="_blank">brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On 02/04/2014 06:37, Shatan, Gregory S. wrote:<br>
> If the DNSA is watching ICANN, and has the right to determine whether ICANN (in the DNSA’s view) has followed its processes, and can impliedly refuse to implement changes that ICANN believes were properly arrived at (if the DNSA disagrees), I am more concerned than ever by the “single-stakeholder” (i.e., registries only) nature of the proposed DNSA.<br>
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</div>Very clearly, that would put the foxes in charge of the henhouse, </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
and make a nonsense of the existing multistakeholder mechanisms.<br>
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Those with a vested interest are the least trustworthy overseers.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I thought yesterday was </span><span class="" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">April</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span><span class="" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Fools</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">, not </span><span class="" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Groundhog</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Day. Didn't we cover this last month? </span><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>-- Brenden</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Brian<br>
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> Thanks for pointing out the NCUC meeting and transcript. In the meetings I attended in Singapore, I didn’t see a lot of traction for structural separation of the IANA function of ICANN or for the creation of a new oversight body to replace the NTIA’s oversight function. But different meetings with different groups bring out different things. I see here that Larry doesn’t want to “put his thumb on the scale” and encourages the debate. I think the NTIA is doing its best to step back and not “coach” the multistakeholder community. That is a good thing. Nothing is a priori off the table unless expressly stated in the NTIA’s press release and related documents. Whether they will find either in scope at the end of the day, I can’t know for sure, but I’ve expressed my opinion.<br>
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> Greg Shatan<br>
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> From: Brenden Kuerbis [mailto:<a href="mailto:bnkuerbi@syr.edu">bnkuerbi@syr.edu</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 10:49 AM<br>
> To: Shatan, Gregory S.<br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a>; <a href="mailto:ianatransition@icann.org">ianatransition@icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [IANAtransition] A Summary of IANA Oversight Transition Tasks and Issues<br>
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</div><div class="">> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Shatan, Gregory S. <<a href="mailto:GShatan@reedsmith.com">GShatan@reedsmith.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:GShatan@reedsmith.com">GShatan@reedsmith.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> Beyond that are the more inventive re-imaginings of IANA functions and oversight, such as removing IANA itself from ICANN and making it a stand-alone body (e.g., the "DNSA" proposal), which could make ICANN-without-IANA the overseer of this new IANA-without-ICANN, and other ideas that the NTIA would probably find "out of scope."<br>
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> Two clarifications, just to set the record straight.<br>
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> First, "overseer" can be interpreted too broadly. The IGP proposal does not suggest a principal-agent relationship between the DNSA and ICANN. The DNSA would be contractually bound to implement changes that followed ICANN's defined policy making process. If ICANN did not follow its defined process, then the DNSA would have a grievance. In this manner, the DNSA watches but does not direct ICANN.<br>
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> Second, the NTIA has never said nor intimated that structural separation would be "out of scope". In fact, in an open discussion with the NCUC at Singapore, Asst Sec Strickling plainly stated that the benefits and costs of structural separation is "a debate...the community should have." [1]<br>
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> Regards,<br>
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> Brenden Kuerbis<br>
> Postdoctoral Researcher, iSchool, Syracuse University<br>
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> [1] <a href="http://singapore49.icann.org/en/schedule/tue-ncuc/transcript-ncuc-25mar14-en.pdf" target="_blank">http://singapore49.icann.org/en/schedule/tue-ncuc/transcript-ncuc-25mar14-en.pdf</a><br>
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> Beyond even that are the wholly unrelated, "let's change what we don't like about ICANN," "let's remake some or all of ICANN" and "let's blow up ICANN and start again" ideas. All great fodder for IG-theorizing and even future activity, but not when we have such a significant project as that outlined above already on our hands.<br>
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> A similar exercise could be done for the transition of the Affirmation of Commitments from a US-ICANN document to a multiparty document (which might itself change significantly or be replaced).<br>
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