<div dir="ltr">Parminder,<div><br></div><div>thanks a lot. How should 1Net/NetMundial proceed - again following George's suggestion to see what collective thinking can be developed - with respect to any issue far removed from ICANN?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<br>
<div>On Wednesday 19 March 2014 06:25 AM,
Alejandro Pisanty wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Parminder,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>the logical next step is to ask you to resend your message
complete with what seems to be an involuntarily ommitted part,
the list of issues you consider should be dealt with.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Alejandro<br>
<br>
Sorry, I had missed this email of a few weeks back... My
organisation did submit a list of global Internet related public
policy issues that need resolution in response to the questionnaire
of Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation. Our full response is <a href="http://www.itforchange.net/Response_to_the_questionnaire_issued_by_CSTD_Working_Group_on_Enhanced_Cooperation_html" target="_blank">here
</a><br>
<br>
The response to question 4 which is the one relevant to your email
is cut pasted below.......<br>
<br>
(begins)<br>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"><b>4. What are the
relevant international public policy issues pertaining to the
Internet? </b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"> </p>
<p style="font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">The report of the
Working Group on Internet Governance<a href="http://www.itforchange.net/Response_to_the_questionnaire_issued_by_CSTD_Working_Group_on_Enhanced_Cooperation_html#sdfootnote1sym" name="14522f4d4b1ed4a2_sdfootnote1anc" target="_blank"><sup>1</sup></a> (WGIG), set up during the
WSIS process, identified many international public policy issues
pertaining to the Internet. This output of the Working Group was
recognized by the Tunis Agenda, which reasserts most of these
issues. Some more issues were identified in the background report<a href="http://www.itforchange.net/Response_to_the_questionnaire_issued_by_CSTD_Working_Group_on_Enhanced_Cooperation_html#sdfootnote2sym" name="14522f4d4b1ed4a2_sdfootnote2anc" target="_blank"><sup>2</sup></a> to the WGIG report. More
recently, the ITU Council Resolution 1305 (2009), in its Annex 1,
recognized some public policy issues pertaining to the Internet,
especially those with rather significant technical aspects.</p>
<p style="font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">It is difficult to
have a closed list of international public policy issues
pertaining to the Internet, since new ones keep cropping up, with
amazing rapidity. An indicative, non-exhaustive, list of public
policy issues pertaining to the Internet is given below. It is
difficult at this stage to do such a listing in any strict order
of priority. We start with issues listed in the WGIG report and
its background report, move to the listing made by the ITU, and
then add some more emergent issues.</p>
<p style="font-style:normal;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">Issues
listed in the WGIG report (see the report for elaboration of each
issue)</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Administration of
the root zone files and system</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Interconnection
costs (especially global interconnection)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Internet
stability, security and cybercrime</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Spam</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Allocation of
domain names</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">IP addressing</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Intellectual
property rights (IPR)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Freedom of
Expression</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Data protection
and privacy rights</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Consumer rights</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Multilingualism</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Convergence and
next generation networks</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">trade and
e-commerce</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-left:0.02cm;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY"><br>
Some additional public policy issues mentioned in the background
report to the WGIG report (elaborated in the report)<br>
<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Applicable
jurisdiction, cross border coordination</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Internet service
providers (ISPs) and third party liabilities</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">National policies
and regulations (harmonization of)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Competition
policy, liberalization, privatization and regulations</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Affordable and
universal access</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Cultural diversity</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">technical standards, and technology choices</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY"> </p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"><span style="font-weight:normal">Public policy issues recognized in
the ITU Resolution 1305, with regard to “</span><span lang="en-US"><span style="font-weight:normal">scope of work of
ITU on international Internet-related public policy matters”</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY"> </p>
<ul>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Multilingualization
of the Internet including Internationalized (multilingual)
Domain Names</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">International
Internet Connectivity</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">International
public policy issues pertaining to the Internet and the
management of Internet resources, including domain names and
addresses</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">The security,
safety, continuity, sustainability, and robustness of the
Internet</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Combating
cybercrime</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Dealing
effectively with spam</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Issues pertaining
to the use and misuse of the Internet</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Availability,
affordability, reliability, and quality of service, especially
in the developing world</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Contributing to
capacity building for Internet governance in developing
countries</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Developmental
aspects of the Internet</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Respect for
privacy and the protection of personal information and data</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">Protecting children and young people from
abuse and exploitation</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-left:0.08cm;text-indent:0.04cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:0.08cm;text-indent:0.04cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">There are many more, existing as well as
emergent ,public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, like;<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:0.08cm;text-indent:0.04cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY"><br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Cloud computing
(global issues involved)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Cross border
Internet flows</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Tax allocation
among different jurisdictions with regard to global e-commerce</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Economics of
personal data (who owns, who makes money from, and so on)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Net neutrality
(that all data is given equal priority on networks)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Search neutrality
(that global search engines give neutral results)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Media convergence
- Internet and traditional media (Internet companies versus
newspapers, radio, cable and TV, book publishing industry etc)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Regulation of
global Internet businesses (in terms of adherence to
competition policies, consumer rights, law enforcement etc)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Internet
intermediary companies as private agents for extra-territorial
law enforcement (problems with)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Access to
knowledge and free information flows, deepening the public
domain on the Internet</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Accessibility
policies for the disabled</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Development of,
and protection to, local content, local application, local
e-services, and local/ domestic Internet businesses</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Protection of
vulnerable sections, like children, women, traditional
communities etc</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"><span style="font-weight:normal">Internet and health systems,
education systems, governance systems and so on</span><b>.</b></p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"><span style="font-weight:normal">Many many more... this being an
unending and ever-evolving list, such is the
transformational influence of the Internet on our social
systems</span><b>.</b></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"> <br>
(ends)<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Thanks<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">parminder <br>
</p>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:58 AM,
parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font face="Verdana">Agree
with George,<br>
<br>
There is a serious need for this thought experiment. <br>
<br>
Lets devote at least half of our consciousness to this
thought experiment - take it that ICANN side problems
are all solved.<br>
<br>
What other things, perhaps more important than 'ICANN
issues' is NetMundial supposed to address. <br>
<br>
I do not agree with George or Nick that non 'ICANN side
issues' are not Internet governance issues. But lets
discuss different positions on these issues in any
case..<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
</font>
<div>On Monday 17 March 2014 10:42 PM, George Sadowsky
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> All,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would like to focus on a broader issue raised by
the interesting discussion below. It has been
touched on before, but I think it’s useful to go
somewhat further.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I see the issue as what is the appropriate domain
of 'Internet governance' concerns. And that leads
immediately to what we think the domain of concern of
“Internet governance’ is, i.e. how we define it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>I’d like to propose a thought experiment.</b>
Suppose that by 30 September 2015, somehow “we” have
created an appropriate accountability mechanism to
replace NTIA’s current responsibilities. Further,
suppose that (1) NTIA accepted it and proceeded to
make the transfer to the new mechanism, and (2) there
was very broad general agreement across multiple
stakeholder groups globally that this was a transition
that was worth supporting.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>What, then, would we discuss next?</b></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>On the one hand</b>, some of us argue that
Internet governance is really the appropriate
construction of Internet administration and
coordination mechanisms, with their appropriate
oversight, and that issues of content and behavior
need to be discussed in more general contexts. Nick
Ashton-Hart argues this persuasively. As an example,
I would find it unproductive to discuss surveillance
in the Internet unless it were within a more general
context of surveillance policy. In that context, I
see the Internet as another tool, such as using hidden
cameras and microphones, tapping voice phone lines and
intercepting postal mail. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>On the other hand</b>, it’s clear that the
introduction of the Internet has introduced both
qualitative and quantitative changes in many areas of
life and of human behavior, and that mechanisms
dealing with them have not caught up to dealing with
the Internet’s disruptive influence. Such problems
often have (at least) two aspects, one technical and
the other societal. I would not characterize these as
Internet governance problems, but rather problems with
respect to general governance caused or exacerbated by
the Introduction of the Internet.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So back to the thought experiment. If we really do
solve the accountability and administrative issues
related to ICANN and IANA in a manner that is widely
accepted (admittedly a stretch, but it works for a
thought experiment), then that is off the agenda.
What’s next on the “Internet governance” agenda, and
why? Do the venues for those discussions change, or
not? Does the label by which we refer o those
discussions change, or not? What is your “to do”
list for Internet governance after an IANA final
solution: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. ….</div>
<div>2. ….</div>
<div>3. ….</div>
<div>4. ….</div>
<div>….</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Opinions welcome.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally, if you believe that there is nothing left
after an IANA final solution, then it might be useful
to suggest some of the specify issues that you
exclude, and suggest suggest specific venues and
processes that that represent the correct way forward
to address those problems.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is really the issue of what Internet
governance is, and is not. The WGIG definition had
enough creative generality to navigate a process
through the political environment of WSIS, but now we
are addressing more specific issues. We lack
descriptive terms that have enough specificity for us
to be able to even discuss them without stumbling over
definitional differences. That kind of stumbling is
not a good use of resources. If we do not share what
a word or a phrase means, I don’t see how we can
discuss it sensibly. Responses to the proposed
thought experiment might yield some clarity on this
point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My sense is that the terms ‘Internet coordination’
and ‘Internet administration’ are unused terms that
could be used to clarify discussions, but for some
reason they have not been adopted by many others.
Using more precise and shared terms to discuss the
issues within the different strata of Vint’s diagram,
sent in an earlier e-mail, would IMO be very helpful
in making progress in these discussions. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let’s concentrate on recognizing, defining and
identifying problems — it’s more important and, at
least for me, more satisfying than semantic arguments.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>George</div>
<div> </div>
<div>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:22 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart
<<a href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Seun,
inline responses<br>
<br>
<div>
<div>On 17 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Seun Ojedeji
<<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hello Nick,<br>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar
17, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Nick
Ashton-Hart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I
disagree.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The international community
does need a way to discuss
surveillance - but Internet
governance is not that venue,
for the simple reason that the
surveillance issue is about
surveillance and not the
Internet. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The issue of mass
surveillance is really asking
the question of how do countries
treat non-nationals in their
national security activities.
The fact that the Internet is
used as a tool for surveillance
is really irrelevant to the
question, just as the Internet
is used for distribution of
illegal material like those
related to child exploitation
but that is primarily an
enforcement of laws issue, not
an Internet issue.</div>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div>IG does not need to be
about everything where there
is an Internet dimension - or
no solution to any problem can
be found.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However: the political
demands for action over
surveillance are impacting the
Internet as we all know - so
we do have a vested interest
in ensuring that the core
issue of mass surveillance is
addressed, just not primarily
by us, and not in IG.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just to get the flow right,
when you say "us" whom do you
refer? and when you say mass
surveillance is not an IG issue
then what issue is it? My
expectation is that the IG
platform will provide an avenue to
discuss the issue and then propose
solutions which countries will
then turn to legal content
applicable to them. If the issues
are not discussed then it will be
difficult to know what they are
and address them. Bringing then to
IG fora will help give it a voice
that could hopefully get to the
listening hears of government and
relevant authorities. <br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"Us" meaning the IG community. As to what
issue it is, it is, as I described, an issue
of surveillance, not the Internet. So, the
human rights dimensions are currently being
actively addressed in the Human Rights
Council and related processes. The exchange
of data for criminal and national security
purposes are governed by MLATs (Mutual Legal
Assistance Treaties) - <a href="http://access.org/" target="_blank">Access.org</a>
has an excellent website devoted to MLAT
reform at <a href="http://www.mlat.info/" target="_blank">www.mlat.info</a>.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bringing this issue to IG fora will
harmfully conflate issues which have nothing
to do with IG with IG issues, and
contaminate (further) Internet governance
with a great deal of politicisation. I would
hope that we all don't want to see the
security, stability, and universality of the
Internet further polluted with politics of
national security and safety.</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">As per the
NetMundial, i agree with Avri that
from recent happenings, ICANN-IANA
related issues may carry the majority
of the agenda which ofcourse was not
the only reason why the event was
conjured in the first place. However
since the ICANN-IANA discussion will
start from ICANN49 i think some
foundational progress will have been
made to further lighten up the
NetMundial agenda to accommodate the
other half of the goal which is
largely related to mass surveillance.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think if NetMundial is consumed with
ICANN issues that will be both a mistake and
a huge missed opportunities. Finding a way
to agree on principles, and what is, and is
not, appropriate for IG policy to address
would be a significant added value; there is
also no other global forum designed to
produce outcomes along these lines. The
discussion of internationalizing ICANN has a
home for discussions: ICANN.</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">I don't think
anyone here is disagreeing with recent
development on ICANN-IANA, as it is
good news. However we should also not
let that overwhelm the other present
concerns. Lets remember that the
ICANN-IANA processes is to prevent the
future "what-IFs" while mass
surveillance on the other hand is
currently happening and we should not
neglect that.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"we" cannot solve national security
issues. All we can do is insist that the
various aspects of national security use of
data and the rules by which non-nationals
are treated are dealt with - in the fora
where they are already under discussion.</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Regards<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers!<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div>
<div>On 17 Mar 2014, at
06:16, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<br>
On Sunday 16 March 2014
09:51 PM, Victor
Ndonnang wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">+1
Adiel.<br>
Surveillance and
intelligence agencies
was there before the
Internet. Even<br>
if the Internet has a
role in the mass
surveillance...USG/NTIA
intent to<br>
transfer IANA and root
zone management
related to the global
independent<br>
Multistakeholder
entity is not a
response to the mass
surveillance issue.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Agree, developments on
the ICANN oversight
issue do not constitute
any real response to
mass surveillance
problem. And since
NetMundial came out of a
series of events
directly connected to
the mass surveillance
problem, and which is
the main reason the
'global community'
invested into it, it is
only fair to the people
across the world that we
have<br>
<br>
1. discussions on this
issues, and others
related to larger
international public
policy issues pertaining
to the Internet , and<br>
2. come up with
proposals regarding
these issues.<br>
<br>
I have seen almost nil
work on this list in
this regard. ICANN
oversight issue should
not be allowed to
overshadow these much
more important and
pressing global public
policy issues. I fear
this is what is
happening. A good reason
of course is structural
about what 1Net is.<br>
<br>
parminder<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">May
be that Global
Multistakeholder
entity will be the
IETF or I... to help<br>
strengthen security,
privacy and trust on
the Internet.<br>
The Internet
Governance is mainly a
technical thing, let's
leave the<br>
technical community
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De la part<br>
de Adiel Akplogan<br>
Envoy� : Sunday, March
16, 2014 8:48 AM<br>
� : Seun Ojedeji<br>
Cc : 1 Net List; Civil
Society Internet
Governance Caucus -
IGC<br>
Objet : Re: [discuss]
[governance] NTIA
statement<br>
<br>
I disagree as well. In
this discussion it is
very important to
dissociate<br>
the USG/NTIA by role
in the performance of
IANA function by ICANN
and the<br>
issue related to mass
surveillance. The two
are not technically
linked and<br>
should be addressed
separately.<br>
<br>
- a.<br>
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On Mar 16, 2014, at
11:03 AM, Seun Ojedeji
<<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Well I
would not disagree
that mass
surveillance indeed
continues.<br>
<br>
Any NSA statement
that says otherwise?<br>
<br>
Cheers!<br>
sent from Google
nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse
brevity and typos.<br>
<br>
On 15 Mar 2014
19:08, "Joly MacFie"
<<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com" target="_blank">joly@punkcast.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
Disagree,<br>
<br>
Different
department.<br>
<br>
j<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014
at 7:06 AM, Louis
Pouzin (well) <<a href="mailto:pouzin@well.com" target="_blank">pouzin@well.com</a>><br>
</blockquote>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br>
<br>
The IANA ballyhoo
comes from the same
factory as the
"internet freedom"<br>
</blockquote>
smoke screen launched
before WCIT. It's a
spin diversion for the
show.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Mass
surveillance
continues. What's
new ?<br>
<br>
Louis<br>
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