<div dir="ltr">Parminder,<div><br></div><div>thanks a lot. How should 1Net/NetMundial proceed - again following George&#39;s suggestion to see what collective thinking can be developed - with respect to any issue far removed from ICANN?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

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    <div>On Wednesday 19 March 2014 06:25 AM,
      Alejandro Pisanty wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Parminder,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>the logical next step is to ask you to resend your message
          complete with what seems to be an involuntarily ommitted part,
          the list of issues you consider should be dealt with.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
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    <br>
    Alejandro<br>
    <br>
    Sorry, I had missed this email of a few weeks back... My
    organisation did submit a list of global Internet related public
    policy issues that need resolution in response to the questionnaire
    of Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation. Our full response is <a href="http://www.itforchange.net/Response_to_the_questionnaire_issued_by_CSTD_Working_Group_on_Enhanced_Cooperation_html" target="_blank">here
    </a><br>
    <br>
    The response to question 4 which is the one relevant to your email
    is cut pasted below.......<br>
    <br>
    (begins)<br>
    <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"><b>4. What are the
        relevant international public policy issues pertaining to the
        Internet? </b></p>
    <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">&nbsp;</p>
    <p style="font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">The report of the
      Working Group on Internet Governance<a href="http://www.itforchange.net/Response_to_the_questionnaire_issued_by_CSTD_Working_Group_on_Enhanced_Cooperation_html#sdfootnote1sym" name="14522f4d4b1ed4a2_sdfootnote1anc" target="_blank"><sup>1</sup></a> (WGIG), set up during the
      WSIS process, identified many international public policy issues
      pertaining to the Internet. This output of the Working Group was
      recognized by the Tunis Agenda, which reasserts most of these
      issues. Some more issues were identified in the background report<a href="http://www.itforchange.net/Response_to_the_questionnaire_issued_by_CSTD_Working_Group_on_Enhanced_Cooperation_html#sdfootnote2sym" name="14522f4d4b1ed4a2_sdfootnote2anc" target="_blank"><sup>2</sup></a> to the WGIG report. More
      recently, the ITU Council Resolution 1305 (2009), in its Annex 1,
      recognized some public policy issues pertaining to the Internet,
      especially those with rather significant technical aspects.</p>
    <p style="font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">It is difficult to
      have a closed list of international public policy issues
      pertaining to the Internet, since new ones keep cropping up, with
      amazing rapidity. An indicative, non-exhaustive, list of public
      policy issues pertaining to the Internet is given below. It is
      difficult at this stage to do such a listing in any strict order
      of priority. We start with issues listed in the WGIG report and
      its background report, move to the listing made by the ITU, and
      then add some more emergent issues.</p>
    <p style="font-style:normal;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">Issues
      listed in the WGIG report (see the report for elaboration of each
      issue)</p>
    <ul>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Administration of
          the root zone files and system</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Interconnection
          costs (especially global interconnection)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Internet
          stability, security and cybercrime</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Spam</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Allocation of
          domain names</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">IP addressing</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Intellectual
          property rights (IPR)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Freedom of
          Expression</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Data protection
          and privacy rights</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Consumer rights</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Multilingualism</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Convergence and
          next generation networks</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">trade and
          e-commerce</p>
      </li>
    </ul>
    <p style="margin-left:0.02cm;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY"><br>
      Some additional public policy issues mentioned in the background
      report to the WGIG report (elaborated in the report)<br>
      <br>
    </p>
    <ul>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Applicable
          jurisdiction, cross border coordination</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Internet service
          providers (ISPs) and third party liabilities</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">National policies
          and regulations (harmonization of)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Competition
          policy, liberalization, privatization and regulations</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Affordable and
          universal access</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Cultural diversity</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">technical standards, and technology choices</p>
      </li>
    </ul>
    <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">&nbsp;</p>
    <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"><span style="font-weight:normal">Public policy issues recognized in
        the ITU Resolution 1305, with regard to &ldquo;</span><span lang="en-US"><span style="font-weight:normal">scope of work of
          ITU on international Internet-related public policy matters&rdquo;</span></span></p>
    <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">&nbsp;</p>
    <ul>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Multilingualization
          of the Internet including Internationalized (multilingual)
          Domain Names</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">International
          Internet Connectivity</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">International
          public policy issues pertaining to the Internet and the
          management of Internet resources, including domain names and
          addresses</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">The security,
          safety, continuity, sustainability, and robustness of the
          Internet</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Combating
          cybercrime</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Dealing
          effectively with spam</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Issues pertaining
          to the use and misuse of the Internet</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Availability,
          affordability, reliability, and quality of service, especially
          in the developing world</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Contributing to
          capacity building for Internet governance in developing
          countries</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Developmental
          aspects of the Internet</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Respect for
          privacy and the protection of personal information and data</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">Protecting children and young people from
          abuse and exploitation</p>
      </li>
    </ul>
    <p style="margin-left:0.08cm;text-indent:0.04cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY"><br>
    </p>
    <p style="margin-left:0.08cm;text-indent:0.04cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY">There are many more, existing as well as
      emergent ,public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, like;<br>
    </p>
    <p style="margin-left:0.08cm;text-indent:0.04cm;font-weight:normal" align="JUSTIFY"><br>
    </p>
    <ul>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Cloud computing
          (global issues involved)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Cross border
          Internet flows</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Tax allocation
          among different jurisdictions with regard to global e-commerce</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Economics of
          personal data (who owns, who makes money from, and so on)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Net neutrality
          (that all data is given equal priority on networks)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Search neutrality
          (that global search engines give neutral results)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Media convergence
          - Internet and traditional media (Internet companies versus
          newspapers, radio, cable and TV, book publishing industry etc)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Regulation of
          global Internet businesses (in terms of adherence to
          competition policies, consumer rights, law enforcement etc)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Internet
          intermediary companies as private agents for extra-territorial
          law enforcement (problems with)</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Access to
          knowledge and free information flows, deepening the public
          domain on the Internet</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Accessibility
          policies for the disabled</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Development of,
          and protection to, local content, local application, local
          e-services, and local/ domestic Internet businesses</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Protection of
          vulnerable sections, like children, women, traditional
          communities etc</p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"><span style="font-weight:normal">Internet and health systems,
            education systems, governance systems and so on</span><b>.</b></p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY"><span style="font-weight:normal">Many many more... this being an
            unending and ever-evolving list, such is the
            transformational influence of the Internet on our social
            systems</span><b>.</b></p>
      </li>
    </ul>
    <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">&nbsp;<br>
      (ends)<br>
    </p>
    <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">Thanks<br>
    </p>
    <p style="margin-bottom:0cm" align="JUSTIFY">parminder <br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:58 AM,
          parminder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font face="Verdana">Agree
                with George,<br>
                <br>
                There is a serious need for this thought experiment. <br>
                <br>
                Lets devote at least half of our consciousness to this
                thought experiment - take it that ICANN side problems
                are all solved.<br>
                <br>
                What other things, perhaps more important than &#39;ICANN
                issues&#39; is NetMundial supposed to address. <br>
                <br>
                I do not agree with George or Nick that non &#39;ICANN side
                issues&#39; are not Internet governance issues. But lets
                discuss different positions on these issues in any
                case..<br>
                <br>
                parminder <br>
                <br>
              </font>
              <div>On Monday 17 March 2014 10:42 PM, George Sadowsky
                wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite"> All,
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I would like to focus on a broader issue raised by
                  the interesting discussion below. &nbsp; It has been
                  touched on before, but I think it&rsquo;s useful to go
                  somewhat further.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I see the issue as what is the appropriate domain
                  of &#39;Internet governance&#39; concerns. &nbsp;And that leads
                  immediately to what we think the domain of concern of
                  &ldquo;Internet governance&rsquo; is, i.e. how we define it.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><b>I&rsquo;d like to propose a thought experiment.</b>
                  &nbsp;Suppose that by 30 September 2015, somehow &ldquo;we&rdquo; have
                  created an appropriate accountability mechanism to
                  replace NTIA&rsquo;s current responsibilities. &nbsp; Further,
                  suppose that (1) NTIA accepted it and proceeded to
                  make the transfer to the new mechanism, and (2) there
                  was very broad general agreement across multiple
                  stakeholder groups globally that this was a transition
                  that was worth supporting.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><b>What, then, would we discuss next?</b></div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><b>On the one hand</b>, some of us argue that
                  Internet governance is really the appropriate
                  construction of Internet administration and
                  coordination mechanisms, with their appropriate
                  oversight, and that issues of content and behavior
                  need to be discussed in more general contexts. Nick
                  Ashton-Hart argues this persuasively. &nbsp;As an example,
                  I would find it unproductive to discuss surveillance
                  in the Internet unless it were within a more general
                  context of surveillance policy. &nbsp;In that context, I
                  see the Internet as another tool, such as using hidden
                  cameras and microphones, tapping voice phone lines and
                  intercepting postal mail. &nbsp;</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><b>On the other hand</b>, it&rsquo;s clear that the
                  introduction of the Internet has introduced both
                  qualitative and quantitative changes in many areas of
                  life and of human behavior, and that mechanisms
                  dealing with them have not caught up to dealing with
                  the Internet&rsquo;s disruptive influence. &nbsp;Such problems
                  often have (at least) two aspects, one technical and
                  the other societal. &nbsp;I would not characterize these as
                  Internet governance problems, but rather problems with
                  respect to general governance caused or exacerbated by
                  the Introduction of the Internet.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>So back to the thought experiment. &nbsp;If we really do
                  solve the accountability and administrative issues
                  related to ICANN and IANA in a manner that is widely
                  accepted (admittedly a stretch, but it works for a
                  thought experiment), then that is off the agenda.
                  &nbsp;What&rsquo;s next on the &ldquo;Internet governance&rdquo; agenda, and
                  why? &nbsp;Do the venues for those discussions change, or
                  not? &nbsp;Does the label by which we refer o those
                  discussions change, or not? &nbsp; What is your &ldquo;to do&rdquo;
                  list for Internet governance after an IANA final
                  solution:&nbsp;</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>1. &hellip;.</div>
                <div>2. &hellip;.</div>
                <div>3. &hellip;.</div>
                <div>4. &hellip;.</div>
                <div>&hellip;.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Opinions welcome.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Finally, if you believe that there is nothing left
                  after an IANA final solution, then it might be useful
                  to suggest some of the specify issues that you
                  exclude, and suggest suggest specific venues and
                  processes that that represent the correct way forward
                  to address those problems.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>This is really the issue of what Internet
                  governance is, and is not. &nbsp;The WGIG definition had
                  enough creative generality to navigate a process
                  through the political environment of WSIS, but now we
                  are addressing more specific issues. &nbsp;We lack
                  descriptive terms that have enough specificity for us
                  to be able to even discuss them without stumbling over
                  definitional differences. &nbsp; That kind of stumbling is
                  not a good use of resources. &nbsp;If we do not share what
                  a word or a phrase means, I don&rsquo;t see how we can
                  discuss it sensibly. &nbsp;Responses to the proposed
                  thought experiment might yield some clarity on this
                  point.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>My sense is that the terms &lsquo;Internet coordination&rsquo;
                  and &lsquo;Internet administration&rsquo; are unused terms that
                  could be used to clarify discussions, but for some
                  reason they have not been adopted by many others.
                  &nbsp;Using more precise and shared terms to discuss the
                  issues within &nbsp;the different strata of Vint&rsquo;s diagram,
                  sent in an earlier e-mail, would IMO be very helpful
                  in making progress in these discussions. &nbsp;</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Let&rsquo;s concentrate on recognizing, defining and
                  identifying problems &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;it&rsquo;s more important and, at
                  least for me, more satisfying than semantic arguments.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>George</div>
                <div>&nbsp;</div>
                <div>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>On Mar 17, 2014, at 5:22 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart
                      &lt;<a href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>&gt;
                      wrote:</div>
                    <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Seun,
                        inline responses<br>
                        <br>
                        <div>
                          <div>On 17 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Seun Ojedeji
                            &lt;<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>&gt;

                            wrote:</div>
                          <br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div dir="ltr">Hello Nick,<br>
                              <div>
                                <div class="gmail_extra">
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar
                                    17, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Nick
                                    Ashton-Hart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>&gt;</span>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I
                                      disagree.
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>The international community
                                        does need a way to discuss
                                        surveillance - but Internet
                                        governance is not that venue,
                                        for the simple reason that the
                                        surveillance issue is about
                                        surveillance and not the
                                        Internet.&nbsp;</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>The issue of mass
                                        surveillance is really asking
                                        the question of how do countries
                                        treat non-nationals in their
                                        national security activities.
                                        The fact that the Internet is
                                        used as a tool for surveillance
                                        is really irrelevant to the
                                        question, just as the Internet
                                        is used for distribution of
                                        illegal material like those
                                        related to child exploitation
                                        but that is primarily an
                                        enforcement of laws issue, not
                                        an Internet issue.</div>
                                      &nbsp;<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div style="word-wrap:break-word">
                                        <div>IG does not need to be
                                          about everything where there
                                          is an Internet dimension - or
                                          no solution to any problem can
                                          be found.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>However: the political
                                          demands for action over
                                          surveillance are impacting the
                                          Internet as we all know - so
                                          we do have a vested interest
                                          in ensuring that the core
                                          issue of mass surveillance is
                                          addressed, just not primarily
                                          by us, and not in IG.</div>
                                      </div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Just to get the flow right,
                                      when you say &quot;us&quot; whom do you
                                      refer? and when you say mass
                                      surveillance is not an IG issue
                                      then what issue is it? My
                                      expectation is that the IG
                                      platform will provide an avenue to
                                      discuss the issue and then propose
                                      solutions which countries will
                                      then turn to legal content
                                      applicable to them. If the issues
                                      are not discussed then it will be
                                      difficult to know what they are
                                      and address them. Bringing then to
                                      IG fora will help give it a voice
                                      that could hopefully get to the
                                      listening hears of government and
                                      relevant authorities. <br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>&quot;Us&quot; meaning the IG community. As to what
                            issue it is, it is, as I described, an issue
                            of surveillance, not the Internet. So, the
                            human rights dimensions are currently being
                            actively addressed in the Human Rights
                            Council and related processes. The exchange
                            of data for criminal and national security
                            purposes are governed by MLATs (Mutual Legal
                            Assistance Treaties) - <a href="http://access.org/" target="_blank">Access.org</a>
                            has an excellent website devoted to MLAT
                            reform at <a href="http://www.mlat.info/" target="_blank">www.mlat.info</a>.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Bringing this issue to IG fora will
                            harmfully conflate issues which have nothing
                            to do with IG with IG issues, and
                            contaminate (further) Internet governance
                            with a great deal of politicisation. I would
                            hope that we all don&#39;t want to see the
                            security, stability, and universality of the
                            Internet further polluted with politics of
                            national security and safety.</div>
                          <br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div class="gmail_extra">
                                <div class="gmail_quote">As per the
                                  NetMundial, i agree with Avri that
                                  from recent happenings, ICANN-IANA
                                  related issues may carry the majority
                                  of the agenda which ofcourse was not
                                  the only reason why the event was
                                  conjured in the first place. However
                                  since the ICANN-IANA discussion will
                                  start from ICANN49 i think some
                                  foundational progress will have been
                                  made to further lighten up the
                                  NetMundial agenda to accommodate the
                                  other half of the goal which is
                                  largely related to mass surveillance.</div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>I think if NetMundial is consumed with
                            ICANN issues that will be both a mistake and
                            a huge missed opportunities. Finding a way
                            to agree on principles, and what is, and is
                            not, appropriate for IG policy to address
                            would be a significant added value; there is
                            also no other global forum designed to
                            produce outcomes along these lines. The
                            discussion of internationalizing ICANN has a
                            home for discussions: ICANN.</div>
                          <br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div class="gmail_extra">
                                <div class="gmail_quote">I don&#39;t think
                                  anyone here is disagreeing with recent
                                  development on ICANN-IANA, as it is
                                  good news. However we should also not
                                  let that overwhelm the other present
                                  concerns. Lets remember that the
                                  ICANN-IANA processes is to prevent the
                                  future &quot;what-IFs&quot; while mass
                                  surveillance on the other hand is
                                  currently happening and we should not
                                  neglect that.</div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>&quot;we&quot; cannot solve national security
                            issues. All we can do is insist that the
                            various aspects of national security use of
                            data and the rules by which non-nationals
                            are treated are dealt with - in the fora
                            where they are already under discussion.</div>
                          <br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div class="gmail_extra">
                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div> <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Regards<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>&nbsp;<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Cheers!<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                    <div style="word-wrap:break-word">
                                      <div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>On 17 Mar 2014, at
                                              06:16, parminder &lt;<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt;

                                              wrote:</div>
                                            <br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div style="font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">

<br>
                                                On Sunday 16 March 2014
                                                09:51 PM, Victor
                                                Ndonnang wrote:<br>
                                                <blockquote type="cite">+1
                                                  Adiel.<br>
                                                  Surveillance and
                                                  intelligence agencies
                                                  was there before the
                                                  Internet. Even<br>
                                                  if the Internet has a
                                                  role in the mass
                                                  surveillance...USG/NTIA
                                                  intent to<br>
                                                  transfer IANA and root
                                                  zone management
                                                  related to the global
                                                  independent<br>
                                                  Multistakeholder
                                                  entity is not a
                                                  response to the mass
                                                  surveillance issue.<br>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <br>
                                                Agree, developments on
                                                the ICANN oversight
                                                issue do not constitute
                                                any real response to
                                                mass surveillance
                                                problem. And since
                                                NetMundial came out of a
                                                series of events
                                                directly connected to
                                                the mass surveillance
                                                problem, and which is
                                                the main reason the
                                                &#39;global community&#39;
                                                invested into it, it is
                                                only fair to the people
                                                across the world that we
                                                have<br>
                                                <br>
                                                1. discussions on this
                                                issues, and others
                                                related to larger
                                                international public
                                                policy issues pertaining
                                                to the Internet , and<br>
                                                2. come up with
                                                proposals regarding
                                                these issues.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                I have seen almost nil
                                                work on this list in
                                                this regard. ICANN
                                                oversight issue should
                                                not be allowed to
                                                overshadow &nbsp;these much
                                                more important and
                                                pressing global public
                                                policy issues. I fear
                                                this is what is
                                                happening. A good reason
                                                of course is structural
                                                about what 1Net is.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                parminder<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <blockquote type="cite">May
                                                  be that Global
                                                  Multistakeholder
                                                  entity will be the
                                                  IETF or I... to help<br>
                                                  strengthen security,
                                                  privacy and trust on
                                                  the Internet.<br>
                                                  The Internet
                                                  Governance is mainly a
                                                  technical thing, let&#39;s
                                                  leave the<br>
                                                  technical community
                                                  takes care of it with
                                                  the full participation
                                                  and inputs<br>
                                                  of others
                                                  stakeholders.<br>
                                                  Regards,<br>
                                                  Victor.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
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                                                  De la part<br>
                                                  de Adiel Akplogan<br>
                                                  Envoy� : Sunday, March
                                                  16, 2014 8:48 AM<br>
                                                  � : Seun Ojedeji<br>
                                                  Cc : 1 Net List; Civil
                                                  Society Internet
                                                  Governance Caucus -
                                                  IGC<br>
                                                  Objet : Re: [discuss]
                                                  [governance] NTIA
                                                  statement<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I disagree as well. In
                                                  this discussion it is
                                                  very important to
                                                  dissociate<br>
                                                  the USG/NTIA by role
                                                  in the performance of
                                                  IANA function by ICANN
                                                  and the<br>
                                                  issue related to mass
                                                  surveillance. The two
                                                  are not technically
                                                  linked and<br>
                                                  should be addressed
                                                  separately.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  - a.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  On Mar 16, 2014, at
                                                  11:03 AM, Seun Ojedeji
                                                  &lt;<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>&gt;

                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <blockquote type="cite">Well I
                                                    would not disagree
                                                    that mass
                                                    surveillance indeed
                                                    continues.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Any NSA statement
                                                    that says otherwise?<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Cheers!<br>
                                                    sent from Google
                                                    nexus 4<br>
                                                    kindly excuse
                                                    brevity and typos.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    On 15 Mar 2014
                                                    19:08, &quot;Joly MacFie&quot;
                                                    &lt;<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com" target="_blank">joly@punkcast.com</a>&gt;

                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    Disagree,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Different
                                                    department.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    j<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    On Sat, Mar 15, 2014
                                                    at 7:06 AM, Louis
                                                    Pouzin (well) &lt;<a href="mailto:pouzin@well.com" target="_blank">pouzin@well.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    The IANA ballyhoo
                                                    comes from the same
                                                    factory as the
                                                    &quot;internet freedom&quot;<br>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                  smoke screen launched
                                                  before WCIT. It&#39;s a
                                                  spin diversion for the
                                                  show.<br>
                                                  <blockquote type="cite">Mass
                                                    surveillance
                                                    continues. What&#39;s
                                                    new ?<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Louis<br>
                                                    <br>
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