<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">John and all (and please take this as also my response to your comments re: "the Current Drive" discussion...<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I take your points below concerning "principles"...<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">But from what I see these are principles concerning the processes which are being (or will be) undertaken concerning ICANN/IANA.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">What I don't see there is anything about what the fundamental goals that these processes are directed towards or the outcome they are meant </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Efficient operation of the Internet... this is the purpose for the Internet protocols that</div><div>have been developed, and the accompanying registries serve the same purpose.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">As I see it there are two possible and mutually exclusive goals that these processes might be pursuing:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 74.25pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span>1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>The �public interest� i.e. ensuring that the operation of these processes maximize benefits for the broadest range of those concerned with the Internet i.e. (in the current context) �everybody�/in Parminder�s phrase, the public</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>There are quite a few elements that might encompass "maximizing benefits (for everybody)";</div><div>this includes specific public policy norms that effect protocol or registry usage; various economic</div><div>incentives, taxation, and/or redistibutions, content controls versus freedom of speech and </div><div>various user and service provider mandates with regards to public policy norms, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>These are not the realm of the Internet registry operations, anymore than they are normally</div><div>part of the development of Internet protocols. There may be interactions from time to time,</div><div>but you do not want significant public policy tradeoffs for purposes of governing the actiions</div><div>of others being made in predominantly technical forums.</div><div><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; text-indent: -0.25in;"> </span></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">BTW, I think going back to George�s original exhortation, this is the basic and most fundamental question concerning Internet Governance Principles which must be addressed in the context of the NetMundial.</div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>That might easily be the case, but that is a set of principles for Internet _governance_, whereas</div><div>ICANN and the related registries are predominantly about technical administration and require</div><div>a set of principles that insure that Internet technical coordination is performed in a very visible</div><div>and transparent manner. These are different problem spaces.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>/John</div><div><br></div><div>Disclaimer: My views alone.</div><div><br></div></body></html>