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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You probably overlooked this paragraph<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>There is a third possible goal (which I would anticipate many in this discussion will suggest) which is “enabling the most effective (and/or efficient) operation of the Internet”. However, on close examination I think it is clear that this is not (and cannot) be a discrete goal in itself, rather it simply awaits the raising of the same question… <u>“enabling the most effective operation of the Internet” for what</u>… --the public interest or the range of private interests?<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Curran [mailto:jcurran@istaff.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 03, 2014 3:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> George Sadowsky; 1Net List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Transparency and Accountability vis-�-vis ICANN and the IANA functions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>John and all (and please take this as also my response to your comments re: "the Current Drive" discussion...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I take your points below concerning "principles"...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>But from what I see these are principles concerning the processes which are being (or will be) undertaken concerning ICANN/IANA.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>What I don't see there is anything about what the fundamental goals that these processes are directed towards or the outcome they are meant <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Efficient operation of the Internet... this is the purpose for the Internet protocols that<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>have been developed, and the accompanying registries serve the same purpose.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As I see it there are two possible and mutually exclusive goals that these processes might be pursuing:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:74.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The “public interest” i.e. ensuring that the operation of these processes maximize benefits for the broadest range of those concerned with the Internet i.e. (in the current context) “everybody”/in Parminder’s phrase, the public<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>There are quite a few elements that might encompass "maximizing benefits (for everybody)";<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>this includes specific public policy norms that effect protocol or registry usage; various economic<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>incentives, taxation, and/or redistibutions, content controls versus freedom of speech and <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>various user and service provider mandates with regards to public policy norms, etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>These are not the realm of the Internet registry operations, anymore than they are normally<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>part of the development of Internet protocols. There may be interactions from time to time,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>but you do not want significant public policy tradeoffs for purposes of governing the actiions<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>of others being made in predominantly technical forums.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>BTW, I think going back to George’s original exhortation, this is the basic and most fundamental question concerning Internet Governance Principles which must be addressed in the context of the NetMundial.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That might easily be the case, but that is a set of principles for Internet _governance_, whereas<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>ICANN and the related registries are predominantly about technical administration and require<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>a set of principles that insure that Internet technical coordination is performed in a very visible<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and transparent manner. These are different problem spaces.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>/John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Disclaimer: My views alone.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>