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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This should not be an either/or question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> discuss-bounces@1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>michael gurstein<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'John Curran'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> '1Net List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Transparency and Accountability vis-à-vis ICANN and the IANA functions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You probably overlooked this paragraph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There is a third possible goal (which I would anticipate many in this discussion will suggest) which is “enabling the most effective (and/or efficient) operation of the
Internet”. However, on close examination I think it is clear that this is not (and cannot) be a discrete goal in itself, rather it simply awaits the raising of the same question…
<u>“enabling the most effective operation of the Internet” for what</u>… --the public interest or the range of private interests?<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> John Curran [<a href="mailto:jcurran@istaff.org">mailto:jcurran@istaff.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 03, 2014 3:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> George Sadowsky; 1Net List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Transparency and Accountability vis-à-vis ICANN and the IANA functions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:55 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">John and all (and please take this as also my response to your comments re: "the Current Drive" discussion...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I take your points below concerning "principles"...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">But from what I see these are principles concerning the processes which are being (or will be) undertaken concerning ICANN/IANA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What I don't see there is anything about what the fundamental goals that these processes are directed towards or the outcome they are meant <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Efficient operation of the Internet... this is the purpose for the Internet protocols that<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">have been developed, and the accompanying registries serve the same purpose.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As I see it there are two possible and mutually exclusive goals that these processes might be pursuing:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The
“public interest” i.e. ensuring that the operation of these processes maximize benefits for the broadest range of those concerned with the Internet i.e. (in the current context) “everybody”/in Parminder’s phrase, the public<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are quite a few elements that might encompass "maximizing benefits (for everybody)";<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">this includes specific public policy norms that effect protocol or registry usage; various economic<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">incentives, taxation, and/or redistibutions, content controls versus freedom of speech and <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">various user and service provider mandates with regards to public policy norms, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These are not the realm of the Internet registry operations, anymore than they are normally<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">part of the development of Internet protocols. There may be interactions from time to time,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">but you do not want significant public policy tradeoffs for purposes of governing the actiions<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">of others being made in predominantly technical forums.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">BTW, I think going back to George’s original exhortation, this is the basic and most fundamental question concerning Internet Governance Principles which must be addressed
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<p class="MsoNormal">That might easily be the case, but that is a set of principles for Internet _governance_, whereas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ICANN and the related registries are predominantly about technical administration and require<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a set of principles that insure that Internet technical coordination is performed in a very visible<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and transparent manner. These are different problem spaces.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">/John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Disclaimer: My views alone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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