<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Sivasubramanian M <<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">If this is agreed, then we also need to agree that such an effort requires resources, though I wouldn't brand the flow of revenues as "taxes" or "rent". If ICANN acknowledges its broader role and starts "investing" in broader causes of Global Public interest of importance to the Internet, then Michael Gurstein's "other points" are automatically answered. </div></div></blockquote><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">It is not clear that ICANN (or the rest of Internet identifier system) has an direct and </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">inherent role to promote "global public interest", although successful administration of </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">the Internet identifiers should definitely help contribute to that goal and thus result in </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">the system doing its "share" towards global public interest with respect to the Internet.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">There is, however, a question that needs to be asked related to resources and allocation, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">but it is more focused on the actual role of proper administration of the Internet identifier </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">system itself, and whether or not there is an inherent responsibility to provide resources </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">towards the principle of inclusiveness. To wit, can <font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">a system commit to a value principle </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: small; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">such as:</font></div><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><br> " – Open and Inclusive: Discussions are open to all and structured to encourage the broadest range of relevant inputs from all interested parties. Input provided is valued and heard by all. All documents are freely available online. Processes for public comment and remote participation are provided wherever feasible, and without requirements for participation other than decorum. "<br><br>without also specifically supporting making resources available to interested parties </font><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">who </font></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">may not otherwise to be able to participate in discussions? Some outreach/</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">engagement</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">/</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">capacity building of this nature is already being </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">done,</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">because it is </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">recognized as both </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">necessary </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">and desirable, but that is different than enshrining it as </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">a </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">fundamental principle </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">(and thus </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">also imply the need for some objective measures </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">of success?)</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><br>In the terms of fulfilling an "inclusiveness" objective, should it be required that a certain</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">amount </font><span style="font-size: small; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">of resources</span><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"> </font><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">(in </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">terms of percentage of total resources, or towards geographic </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">coverage </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">of participants, </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">or some other metric) </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">be provided for outreach and engagement </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">measures? How does one measure </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">that such activities are successful, and administer </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">them to avoid introduction of selection </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">bias </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">into the system and its outcomes?</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><br>If we revisit the entire Internet identifier registry system 20 years from now, will it be </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">viewed as successful if resources aren't being provided for aiding the engagement of </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">those who cannot otherwise afford to participate? Do we need a more specific principle</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">and/or criteria regarding what constitutes "inclusiveness" to make sure that our future</font></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Internet identifier system is performing as expected when it comes to inclusiveness and</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">the resources made available for this purpose? In particular, do we need to specifically</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">need some form of principle that discusses resources being made available for the </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">purpose of supporting inclusiveness?</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">There are folks with far more experience in capacity building and engagement building</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">than I, and it would be good to understand their expectations in this area (and hence</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">gain insight into aspects of the underlying principles that we might want to enshrine </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">into the system itself.)</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">Thanks!</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">/John</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">Disclaimer: My views alone.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div></div></body></html>