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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 04 April 2014 08:34 AM,
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<div dir="ltr">Michael,
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<div>What issues away, well very far away from ICANN do you
think should be addressed? <br>
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Alejandro, I did list out both the issues, beyond ICANN, and how
they could be addressed. You have repeated sought this info, and I
look forward to your engagement with it.. parminder <br>
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<div>How has Community Informatics set an example that others
should follow? </div>
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<div>How and where is that sequestered by the evil forces?</div>
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<div>What is the exciting discussion forum where the respective
debate is taking place?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:33 PM, michael
gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks
for you clarity on this John…</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Inline…</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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John Curran [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jcurran@istaff.org"
target="_blank">jcurran@istaff.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 03, 2014 4:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 1Net List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Transparency and
Accountability vis-à-vis ICANN and the IANA
functions</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:43 PM, michael
gurstein <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You
probably overlooked this paragraph</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There
is a third possible goal (which I would
anticipate many in this discussion will
suggest) which is “enabling the most
effective (and/or efficient) operation of
the Internet”. However, on close
examination I think it is clear that this is
not (and cannot) be a discrete goal in
itself, rather it simply awaits the raising
of the same question… <u>“enabling the most
effective operation of the Internet” for
what</u>… --the public interest or the
range of private interests?</span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I saw the paragraph, and
answered it: the technical coordination of Internet
identifier </p>
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providers of the infrastructure of the Internet
itself, i.e. private </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> interests.</p>
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<b><i><span
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yes…</span></i></b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"> That does not mean that the
Internet itself cannot be focused on serving public
interests,</p>
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or have a set of principles oriented towards that
purpose, but simply that a set of principles </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> for that purpose are above the
infrastructure,... i.e. a set of principles for
Internet _governance_, </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> whereas ICANN and the related
registries are predominantly about technical
administration,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> and need a set of principles
focused on open and transparent administration of
the registries.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">[MG>]
So, in an Internet ecology where ICANN is a
central player and where they have very
considerable funds (and an active interest) to
animate and influence that ecology the central
“principle” is that of supporting and enabling
“private interests”. </span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That
being the case perhaps you could tell us,
given the current configuration of activities
and the evidently single minded push from the
USG and the leadership of ICANN to be the core
framework for Internet Governance, where
exactly will the initiatives come from to
ensure that “the Internet… can.. be focused on
public interests” or develop a “set of
principles oriented towards that purpose”…
especially since ICANN has worked so
assiduously to ensure that Civil Society (and
the technical community) is aligned with its
activities and directions (and values?).</span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
wondering if an ”Internet for the private
good” (i.e. for the benefit of the Comcasts of
the world and their owners—the 1%) is
consistent with the desires and expectations
of the rest of the world outside of the
rarified atmosphere of ICANN’s 5 star hotels
and the USG and their allies and that in fact
most (and including their countries) would
very much opt for an Internet for the Common
Good… </span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">/John</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Disclaimer: My view alone.</p>
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