<p dir="ltr">+1 to all what Alejandro has said. A good summary of multistakeholder characteristics.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks!</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 16 Apr 2014 00:34, "Alejandro Pisanty" <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com">apisanty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Pranesh,<div><br></div><div>the IETF makes no distinction for participation or leadership based on whether participants work in businesses, government-run research laboratories, academic institutions (in turn, private or public.) This has been explained in detail.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The ITU has a formal structure in which its highest decision-making body, able for example to change the Constitution and elect the leadership, is made up of governments only. </div><div><br></div><div>
It distinguishes between governments and sector members. Sector members are almost exclusively companies, with pockets deep enough to pay at least 65,000 Swiss Francs a year (they may buy more seats.) The rest of the sector members are almost exclusively trade associations of the same companies, i.e. they get double dips. The few truly non-commercial organizations that are also sector members include the Red Cross (ICRC), International Astronomical Union, and the Internet Society in a rather specific status. Individuals are not welcome. Many sessions are closed. Documents are not freely available (locked behind "TIES" accounts) so no external accountability is possible. There are a few more details but they don't substantially change this picture.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That is why most people who have followed broad participatory processes consider the claim that the ITU is "multistakeholder" hollow.</div><div><br></div><div>As far as I understand Reddit and Wikipedia don't make decisions that determine others' conduct or resources in an equivalent way so that part of the argument may be less relevant. They provide valuable services but are not technical coordination bodies. Plus, to the best of my knowledge, they also don't make strong distinctions based on this kind of stakeholder classification.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Pranesh Prakash <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pranesh@cis-india.org" target="_blank">pranesh@cis-india.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> [2014-03-30 11:24:24 -0400]:<br>
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Who are the "multiple" stakeholder groups in, for instance, the IETF? What<br>
role did civil society and business play in policy formulation in IG in<br>
these 40 years? Were they "co-equals" with government?<br>
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there are zero groupings in the IETF.<br>
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All "stakeholders" come together as co-equals in a WG.<br>
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Is Wikipedia multistakeholder? Are online fora like Reddit multistakeholder? Both Wikipedia and Reddit have detailed governance mechanisms and structures. But if IETF is multistakeholder, I don't see how Wikipedia and Reddit are any different.<br>
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Would you say ITU isn't multistakeholder? Why not?<br>
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