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Apologies, should never post before first cup of coffee :-)
conflated troll and fix broken posts. My bad.<br>
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Joe<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2014 7:19 AM, joseph alhadeff
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Strikes me that this conversation of fixing the broken - on both
sides - is the waste of time we have been seeking to avoid. While
the list is way too packed with conspiracy theory, presumption
presented as fact, over generalizations and impractical arguments,
for my taste, and despite resulting in less marginal utility, the
comments are not irrelevant to the conversation. This list has
never been limited to the narrower issues that might be relevant
to Brazil. Early on we had a person suggesting salary information
and all sorts of personal invective and non-sense. To me that was
a troll. What we have now is perhaps much less than optimal in
productivity, but not out of bounds with a broad view of the
list's topical relevance. A positive reminder for people to keep
to thread topics or start new topics and perhaps a request for
greater care and delineation between opinion and demonstrated fact
could be more helpful. At the maximum, I think we could suggest
that some threads are not topical to this list and ask that they
be pursued elsewhere. It would also be useful for posters not to
presuppose that they speak on behalf of the unseen majority,
unless there is some demonstration that they have an actual
representative capacity. One may otherwise opine <i>beliefs that
most people might think that</i>... as a more accurate phrasing.<br>
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Short hand: a vote for enhanced civility, productivity and
fact-based argument on all sides. Absent those, the list will
become irrelevant on its own with no need for exclusions.<br>
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Best<br>
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Joe<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/15/2014 9:20 PM, Jefsey wrote:<br>
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type="cite">At 02:27 16/04/2014, George Sadowsky wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">I agree. The Steering Committee has
agreed to put into effect certain processes to deal with this,
modeled after IETF procedures for dealing with the same
behavior. We should see a proposal, and then hopefully
something being put into practice very soon. <br>
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Great! <br>
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This implies the clarification on the ICANN/NTIA position
regarding their conception of what is an enhanced cooperation,
in particular with the multitude's stakeholders. <br>
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I am back from my evening working meeting on VGNs. People were
quite pleased with the "troll" mails: every of us wait for this,
now annouced, clarification. It was made urgent by the today's
parallel "so many of your statements here are false or twisted
in your assumed implications that it hurts" rude words of a
former ICANN VP to Carlos A. Afonso, the civil society artesan
of the NETmundial, for his gallant presentation of the user's
genuine vision of the status of the I*leaders' RFC 6852
internet. <br>
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The Steering Committee position will be a test for the NTIA. It
will help us to know far better what the olicannopole's MSism
and globalization can be, just in time before the Sao Paulo
meeting. I obviously hope that VGN Masters, IUsers of the
Multitude and end-users (on a non pay-vote basis) will be able
to cooperate with the new ICANN toward an architectural
innovative revamp of the global catenet under a neutral internet
reviewed, consolidated, and extended trustable technology. <br>
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jfc <br>
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