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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To go back to a parallel discussion… a strong case has been made for multistakeholder processes in the governance of the technical aspects of the Internet. However, much of the NetMundial discussion is concerning the governance of activities which take place on the Internet (such as surveillance for example)… Your reference I think is to the third category, i.e. of governance by the Internet which I think we would all agree is still somewhat in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The question though, is whether we/NetMundial abandon democracy and democratic governance of activities taking place on (and through) the Internet (an increasingly large and significant portion of human affairs) for what is an ill-defined, ill-formed and ideologically driven chimera known as Multistakeholderism.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Michael Roberts [mailto:mmr1936@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Roberts<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 18, 2014 3:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> 1net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It’s fine to exhort us to promote democracy.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is just plain hard work to forge working democracy in cyberspace. So far, there hasn’t been much progress.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The ease with which identities can be forged, manipulated, and otherwise used to prevent democracy in action is troubling and real.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>While efforts continue in that direction, let’s not hang a millstone around the neck of NETMundial folks for not assuming something that is not there, at least today.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MS is a primitive and imperfect means of addressing some fundamental needs for fair representation. But it is what we have.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- Mike<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks for this Adam and for pointing to the opportunity for making comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>And I have several comments. However, given how the comments element for the document is structured I don't see how I can usefully introduce them into that format since I want to comment not on what is in the document; but rather on what isn't in the document.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In that context I see two notable and even astonishing absences.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The document as presented refers to stakeholders/multistakeholderism in its discussions of the global Internet governance model in one form or another<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><u>46 times</u>! While on the other hand, the document contains<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><u>no,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></u>and let me repeat,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><u>NO</u><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>references to democracy or democratic governance! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The document nowhere identifies an overall objective for the governance it is discussing. That is, for what purpose or to what end are the governance structures/models being directed?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To put it bluntly is the proposed governance of the Internet being undertaken in support of the “public interest” or in the interests of the individual “stakeholders” among whom of course certain private corporate and national interests/stakes are pre-eminent? Given what is identified in item #1 the answer to this second question would appear to be self-evident.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Of course, these issues were not addressed by myself or others in the 188 position papers presented to the NetMundial conference. Thus one could perversely argue that their absence in the Outcome Statement is a reflection of the failure by contributors to argue for their inclusion. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>However, the perversity of this argument is obvious when one asks the question, is democratic governance in the public interest not something that can be assumed, taken as a given in an area as significant, whose influence is so pervasive, as the Internet. Need one even argue that the governance of the Internet must occur within a democratic framework and directed in support of the public interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Who could possibly have imagined that this conference dealing with global (Internet) governance would, completely replace the 1000 year evolution of democratic governance in support of the public interest and replace this with governance by and for “stakeholders” acting in pursuit of their individual and private interests.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Given, as I mentioned, that I see no way of introducing these comments into the commentary section on the document it would be appreciated if you would yourself, forward these to the relevant NetMundial authorities for consideration as they are preparing their final drafts of the output statement for the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Michael Gurstein <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ciresearchers-owner@vancouvercommunity.net"><span style='color:purple'>ciresearchers-owner@vancouvercommunity.net</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a href="mailto:ciresearchers-owner@vancouvercommunity.net"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:ciresearchers-owner@vancouvercommunity.net</span></a>] On Behalf Of Adam Peake<br>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:41 AM<br>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net"><span style='color:purple'>ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net</span></a><br>Subject: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Please see <<a href="http://document.netmundial.br/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://document.netmundial.br/</span></a>> Use the Navigate button. Information below.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and Technical Community.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final version of the document is released here for public comments. The public consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://document.netmundial.br/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://document.netmundial.br/</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>with the purpose of receiving public comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address alongside your comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility to register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous comments before making yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by all stakeholders.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>END<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"><span style='color:purple'>discuss@1net.org</span></a><br><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss"><span style='color:purple'>http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>