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    Thanks.&nbsp; The chart is useful and whether we consider all of these to
    be internet Governance or categorize them differently in terms of
    names - the list is a good one. Your observations that different
    process may utilize different mechanisms is also important.&nbsp; Finally
    we also note that a number of these discussions will be more suited
    to certain knowledge and skill sets or need to be made in the
    context of functional or technical requirements. Not everyone
    impacted may share those skill sets, so the question is how to
    appropriately factor the potential concerns of those not possessing
    the needed skills to participate directly in the discussion ?&nbsp; How
    do we provide meaningful participation especially if we accept that
    it is impossible for it to be completely inclusive in all aspects? <br>
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    &nbsp;We should also note that almost every form of democracy on the
    planet is a representative form of democracy...<br>
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    Joe<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/19/2014 1:33 PM, George Sadowsky
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      All,
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      <div>I think what Avri is saying is quite sensible.
        &nbsp;Multistakeholderism is as much a principle as it is a model,
        and for myself, I summarize it by thinking that those who are
        materially affected by a set of decisions should at least be
        heard and generally participate in making them. &nbsp;ICANN displays
        a specific instantiation of those principles or that model
        (whichever wording that you prefer).
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        <div>Avri&#8217;s comments lead me to think of the complexity of the
          Internet ecosystem that currently exists. Laura DeNardis has
          done us all a favor by pointing out how important and useful
          it is to disaggregate what is meant by Internet governance,
          and to note that there were not only many, many actors
          involved, but that different processes may perform best using
          forms of governance, or management, or cooperation that are
          quite specific to those processes. Here is her chart:</div>
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            <div>So while it&#8217;s possible to say that overall Internet
              governance is characterized by a multistakeholder process,
              the more important observation is that the Internet
              ecosystem is characterized by many different
              instantiations of the multistakeholder principle, and it
              really works quite well.</div>
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            <div>I&#8217;d like to commend Laura for talking the time and the
              trouble to do work of this type. &nbsp;I wish that we had more
              of it, and less discussion of what multistakholderism
              means. &nbsp;The latter doesn&#8217;t contribute to constructing
              solutions to the current Internet governance problems that
              are well identified.</div>
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            <div>George</div>
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                <div>On Apr 19, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Alejandro Pisanty
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                    <div>Let form follow function.</div>
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                    <div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at
                      6:48 AM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                        &gt; *From:*Ian Peter [mailto:<a
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                          href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>]<br>
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                        &gt; I agree with your point Michael. I am
                        travelling now, but I think you<br>
                        &gt; should make the point in NetMundial
                        document somehow that extending<br>
                        &gt; multistakeholderism to all aspects on
                        governance &#8220;on the internet&#8221; could<br>
                        &gt; be problematic and does not have universal
                        agreement.<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;<br>
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                        Of course no point of view has universal
                        agreement, no matter how small<br>
                        or large the group.<br>
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                        I beleive that some form of multistakeholderism
                        is appropriate for any<br>
                        Internet governance issue. &nbsp;I argue that a
                        uni-stakeholder system is<br>
                        _never_ appropriate for the Internet. Or
                        anywhere else for that matter.<br>
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                        Though I would agree that extending any one
                        system to the Internet is<br>
                        going to be problematic. &nbsp;What is most
                        problematic is the view that<br>
                        multistakeholderism only consists of one model,
                        or that any form of the<br>
                        model is the solution to all issues. &nbsp;Each issue
                        has an appropriate form<br>
                        of the multistakeholder model, different sets of
                        actors, roles and<br>
                        responsibilities. &nbsp;The difficulty is coming to
                        consensus on the proper mix.<br>
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                        Just wanted to make sure we knew that we did not
                        have universal<br>
                        agreement on your statement. &nbsp;I may be alone,
                        but I think that<br>
                        multistakeholderism, in its variety of
                        expressions and modalities of<br>
                        participatory democracy, is the only way forward
                        possible. &nbsp;Anything<br>
                        else leaves some relevant actors outside the
                        solution and is<br>
                        fundamentally anti-democratic.<br>
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                        avri<br>
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                    Facultad de Qu&iacute;mica UNAM<br>
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