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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks Ian,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I think that is something that all of civil society should be expressing I would have thought.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> '1Net List'; governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documentsonline for comment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I agree with your point Michael. I am travelling now, but I think you should make the point in NetMundial document somehow that extending multistakeholderism to all aspects on governance “on the internet” could be problematic and does not have universal agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ian Peter <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" title="gurstein@gmail.com">michael gurstein</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:29 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:drc@virtualized.org" title="drc@virtualized.org">'David Conrad'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" title="discuss@1net.org">'1Net List'</a> ; <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" title="governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re: [discuss] [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documentsonline for comment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>David (and McTim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I believe I responded to your comments in my reply to Mike Roberts<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='color:#1F497D'>“a strong case has been made for multistakeholder processes in the governance of the technical aspects of the Internet. However, much of the NetMundial discussion is concerning the governance of activities which take place “on” the Internet (such as surveillance for example)”.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><i><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>(In ICANN’s onionskin model of the Internet this would correspond to the “content”, “social” and (I would argue the unreasonably overlooked) “economic” layers where traditional democratic governance structures and processes have a long and valuable history. For these layers, MSism would seem to be little more than an attempt by various corporate forces to get a seat at the table (and thus a dominant position) in decision making and efforts by certain governments to ensure them of these opportunities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> David Conrad [<a href="mailto:drc@virtualized.org">mailto:drc@virtualized.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 18, 2014 7:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> 1Net List; <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Assuming you're talking about Internet governance, "to replace democratic governance" implies that it exists (or at least has). Can you explain why you believe this?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-drc<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a><br><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>