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Thanks. The chart is useful and whether we consider all of these to
be internet Governance or categorize them differently in terms of
names - the list is a good one. Your observations that different
process may utilize different mechanisms is also important. Finally
we also note that a number of these discussions will be more suited
to certain knowledge and skill sets or need to be made in the
context of functional or technical requirements. Not everyone
impacted may share those skill sets, so the question is how to
appropriately factor the potential concerns of those not possessing
the needed skills to participate directly in the discussion ? How
do we provide meaningful participation especially if we accept that
it is impossible for it to be completely inclusive in all aspects? <br>
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We should also note that almost every form of democracy on the
planet is a representative form of democracy...<br>
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Joe<br>
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<div>I think what Avri is saying is quite sensible.
Multistakeholderism is as much a principle as it is a model,
and for myself, I summarize it by thinking that those who are
materially affected by a set of decisions should at least be
heard and generally participate in making them. ICANN displays
a specific instantiation of those principles or that model
(whichever wording that you prefer).
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<div>Avri’s comments lead me to think of the complexity of the
Internet ecosystem that currently exists. Laura DeNardis has
done us all a favor by pointing out how important and useful
it is to disaggregate what is meant by Internet governance,
and to note that there were not only many, many actors
involved, but that different processes may perform best using
forms of governance, or management, or cooperation that are
quite specific to those processes. Here is her chart:</div>
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<div>So while it’s possible to say that overall Internet
governance is characterized by a multistakeholder process,
the more important observation is that the Internet
ecosystem is characterized by many different
instantiations of the multistakeholder principle, and it
really works quite well.</div>
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<div>I’d like to commend Laura for talking the time and the
trouble to do work of this type. I wish that we had more
of it, and less discussion of what multistakholderism
means. The latter doesn’t contribute to constructing
solutions to the current Internet governance problems that
are well identified.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at
6:48 AM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span>
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> *From:*Ian Peter [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>]<br>
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> I agree with your point Michael. I am
travelling now, but I think you<br>
> should make the point in NetMundial
document somehow that extending<br>
> multistakeholderism to all aspects on
governance “on the internet” could<br>
> be problematic and does not have universal
agreement.<br>
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Of course no point of view has universal
agreement, no matter how small<br>
or large the group.<br>
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I beleive that some form of multistakeholderism
is appropriate for any<br>
Internet governance issue. I argue that a
uni-stakeholder system is<br>
_never_ appropriate for the Internet. Or
anywhere else for that matter.<br>
<br>
Though I would agree that extending any one
system to the Internet is<br>
going to be problematic. What is most
problematic is the view that<br>
multistakeholderism only consists of one model,
or that any form of the<br>
model is the solution to all issues. Each issue
has an appropriate form<br>
of the multistakeholder model, different sets of
actors, roles and<br>
responsibilities. The difficulty is coming to
consensus on the proper mix.<br>
<br>
Just wanted to make sure we knew that we did not
have universal<br>
agreement on your statement. I may be alone,
but I think that<br>
multistakeholderism, in its variety of
expressions and modalities of<br>
participatory democracy, is the only way forward
possible. Anything<br>
else leaves some relevant actors outside the
solution and is<br>
fundamentally anti-democratic.<br>
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avri<br>
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