<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Right on, carissimo Giacomo!</div><div><br></div><div>Abbracci</div><div><br></div><div>--c.a.<br><br>sent from a dumbphone</div><div><br>On 27/04/2014, at 12:02, "Mazzone, Giacomo" <<a href="mailto:mazzone@ebu.ch">mazzone@ebu.ch</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Janis,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">i agree that there are objective obstacles to make immediately a change in the IGF habits, because resources (and most of the rest ) has not changed,
but we cannot miss the opportunity provided by the Net Mundial in supporting the role of the IGF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There are various things that could (and must) done right now: you know better than me which ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I simply suggest a couple of those:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">An immediate extraordinary meeting of the donors (beside the Paris open consultation) where those that were more vocal on the IGF role
could be asked to pass from theory to action (EC, Brazil, India, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Devote one or two plenaries of Istanbul IGF to some of the issues that Net Mundial indicated as needing more discussion : Net Neutrality,
Responsibility of ISP, etc. instead than having the usual generic ones (Openness, Access, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Streamline in function of these main topics the workshops that could help to build these sessions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">These things could be made within the current available resources, within the current timeframe, using the coming Paris meeting as the platform
where such decision could be taken.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you want, I’m ready to work to put in writing these (and other) proposal to make discussion more concrete and start to change the perception
of the IGF as talk-shop only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bests from a sunny Rome on the way to a grey Geneva…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Giacomo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a> [<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org">mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com">karklinsj@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> dimanche 27 avril 2014 08:04<br>
<b>To:</b> Avri Doria; <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a>; <a href="mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org">internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] [] FINAL VERSION OF THE DOCUMENT - FOR PRINTING<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Avri,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I would like to comment on your “…it is time to IGF MAG to through off its self imposed limitations ….”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Agreeing that IGF needs to find a way to demonstrate more tangible outcome of its work, I doubt that NetMundial experience will be applied in 2014/2015 editions. There are several reasons
for that:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">NetMundial was focused on 2 issues - IGF is broad ranging discussion<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Purpose/aim of both meetings were different<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Drafting of the Final statement started well in advance of NetMundial<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">NetMundial had far more resources in terms of Secretarial support (HL Committee, Bureau)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">That said, I hope that IGF will be able to demonstrate that things happen as a result of IGF elsewhere. You know that I launched a call for a voluntary information submission:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><em><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet governance related issues.
The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.</span></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><em><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Over the past few years, some sceptics of the IGF have suggested that no actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that it is just a “talk shop”.</span></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><em><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">In order to dissipate those doubts about the “action orientation” of the IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and decisions that have been taken
by different stakeholders as a result of the engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs (international, regional or national).</span></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><em><span lang="EN-US">In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and institutions that would be willing to share information,
<b>on a voluntary basis</b>, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the
<span style="color:black">IGF Secretariat (</span></span></em><span lang="EN-AU"><a href="mailto:discussion_questions@intgovforum.org" target="_parent"><em>discussion_questions@intgovforum.org</em></a></span><em><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">) by 30
June 2014. The Secretariat will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF.</span></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><em><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Thank you for your participation</span></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><em><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Janis Karklins</span></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><em><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Interim Chair of the MAG</span></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The IGF Secretariat will compile all submissions and I intend present them at the opening of Istanbul IGF meeting. I hope that report will dissipate, at least partially, perception that IGF
is merely a talk-shop.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">With greetings from sunny and warm Riga<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">JK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent from Surface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";letter-spacing:.25pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";letter-spacing:.25pt"> <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_parent">Avri Doria</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_parent">discuss@1net.org</a>,
<a href="mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org" target="_parent">internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi,<br>
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And beyond exegesis and spin on the document we should try to import<br>
some of those techniques into the IGF so that it can also learn how to<br>
produce some outcomes, e.g. inputs from IGF to other Ig organizations.<br>
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Following the lead of NetMundial, it is time for the IGF MAG to throw<br>
off its self imposed limitation of being merely a program committee so<br>
it can make recommendations to the UNSG on how to turn the IGF into an<br>
organization that can actually produce results. While it is true that<br>
the IGF has achieved a little just by existing, at this point if it<br>
wants to remain viable it needs to move beyond its infancy and become a<br>
useful organization.<br>
<br>
In addition to some of the important work done by NetMundial in bridging<br>
the gap between the Internet and Human Rights and opening the door to<br>
discussions on revising the government defined roles and<br>
responsibilities of the actors in the Internet ecosystem from 2003, it<br>
has shown us that it is possible for a multistakeholder organization to<br>
produce outcomes. It is now time for the IGF to figure out how to do<br>
the same.<br>
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Additionally, the NetMundial has sent some tasks the IGF's way. I look<br>
forward to work on such issues as Net Neutrality at IGF2014.<br>
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The mission of the IGF has been given a real push by NetMundial, I hope<br>
we don't waste the opportunity.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
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On 26-Apr-14 16:36, John Curran wrote:<br>
> On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Marilyn Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com%0b">marilynscade@hotmail.com<br>
</a>> <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> I think the opportunity ahead is how to further examine what the<br>
>> "statement of Sao Paolo" says and how to continue work, especially at<br>
>> IGF, but not only there. <br>
> <br>
> Indeed.<br>
> /John<br>
> <br>
> Disclaimer: My views alone.<br>
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