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12pt;font-family: Optima;"><span style="font-family: Optima;"></span>Sticking
to voluntary adoption is critical. <br><br>It has been a hard battle
for protocols (IETF). <br><br>One interesting aspect that Istanbul may
well witness I expect is agenda being presented by well funded
interested parties who have already achieved regulation and legislation
in a jurisdiction and are now trying to promote their "correct" policy
globally. <br><br>With that pressure in the kettle I expect IGF is going
to need to have a number of effective relief valves to keep things
voluntary and conversation not too interesting. <br><br><br>Christian<br><br>Markus
Kummer wrote:<blockquote
cite="mid:279c640f1f544e2f8d558619626b7d87@BLUPR06MB465.namprd06.prod.outlook.com"
type="cite"><pre wrap="">I also see a strong correlation, if not a cross-fertilization, between the
IGF and NETmundial. The IGF paved the way for NETmundial and NETmundial is
now demonstrating how to reach a rough consensus in a multistakeholder
setting. Having said that, NETmundial has also reminded us that the nature
of the dialogue changes, if there is pressure to produce an outcome
document.
The IGF may be in a position to come to closure on some issues, but not on
others. Therefore, a hybrid format may be the best way forward, providing
a space for free-ranging dialogue while at the same time aiming to seek
closure on some issues that are sufficiently mature to allow for a rough
consensus.
ISOC recognized that the IGF after Bali was ready to take the next step
towards more tangible outputs. The paper we submitted as an input into the
February consultation suggests seeking inspiration from the IETF and
moving towards producing outputs for voluntary adoption. We proposed
reviving best practices sessions on issues where we know that solutions
exist, such as spam or IXPs. The outcome of the sessions could be
documented best practices on these issues. It is my understanding that
this is now under discussion by the MAG.
Other issues will continue to be issues for debate. Here again, NETmundial
has identified one issue that needs further discussion: net neutrality.
The NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement provides a helpful framing for
this debate ("how to enable freedom of expression, competition, consumer
choice, meaningful transparency and appropriate network management"). This
should foster an interesting debate in Istanbul!
Markus
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Hi,
Thank you.
I will be observing remotely and look forward to seeing how you all
handle the issues. As several of us have indicated, this is critical in
considerations for IGF's future.
avri
On 29-Apr-14 17:56, Janis Karklins wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Milton, Jeanette, Avri, Giacomo, Raul, Izumi, Jeremi, all
I hear you and promise that the MAG during the open consultations and
its own meeting in Paris 19/21 May will discuss lessons from NetMundial
and will suggest the best possible agenda and tangible outputs of the
IGF. We will take into account points of view of all stakeholder groups.
The Report of the CSTD WG on improvements of the IGFwill be guiding us
in a same way as impressions and energy of the NetMundial.
I fully share the desire to use the momentum that has been created by
the NetMundial to improve the IGF. Pls join the MAG at the open
consultations that we can create good dynamics in discussions and take
well informed decisions.
JK
PS: Milton, sorry that I didn't hear your intervention at the "way
forward" session (as I was working on the Statement's text alongside
with many others), but I will read the transcript. JK
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Milton L Mueller <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>
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Janis:
I would strongly endorse Jeanette's comments. When I spoke at the
"way forward" panel on the last day, several CS activists begged me
to endorse the "strengthen IGF" theme, and by "strengthen" they
meant significant changes, including outcome documents. Others
expressed their support for a continuation of Netmundial because of
their belief that IGF, despite its importance as an outlet for ideas
and workshops, was not capable of the kind of constructive changes
that would make it the inheritor of the positive momentum of
Netmundial. Even before your response, I leaned toward the latter
view. Now, I must say that unless IGF makes significant moves to
learn from and capitalize on the experience of Netmundial it will
gradually lose credibility, and participation, including mine.
--MM
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Dear Janis,
to be honest, I was hoping for a more encouraging response. In
addition to an enormous amount of secretarial capacity and
committment, I thought there was a lot of good will to explore new
precedures and to produce a new type of collective outcome.
Moreover, many participants assessed the dynamics of netmundial
against the background of the IGF asking themselves how specific
elements of netmundial could be imported into the IGF in order to
revive and improve the latter.
You are of course right that the overall context, aims and purposes
of both meetings differ. It is also true that the netmundial process
was far from being perfect. Still, in my view we should now ask
ourselves what can be learned from netmundial with a view to
improving the IGF and which of such improvements could already be
implemented this year.
The call for IGF outcomes is everything but new. Several years ago
towards the end of its first term, the MAG discussed a new meeting
format for specific topics that had been on the agenda for various
years and had cleary exhausted the potential insights to be gained
from additional IGF workshops. Child pornography was mentioned as an
example.
The idea as I recall it was, to assemble the various experts,
stakeholders and views on the issue and get them to agree on a
limited number of factual problem statements and, if possible,
recommendations.
We were not able to explore this approach because one stakeholder
group obviously got cold feet and lobbied against it. Now might be
the time to give this a second try.
Yes, such an approach would need preparation. A draft statement
should be prepared by the relevant actors in advance of the meeting
so that everybody knows what is at stake and has a chance to form an
opinion on the issue at stake. It seems still early enough to set in
motion such an experiment for one specific topic.
In my view, the IGF needs to prove that it can reform itself. More
funding will come along if it does so.
jeanette
Am 27.04.14 08:04, schrieb <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com"><mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com></a>:
> Avri,
>
> I would like to comment on your ³Šit is time to IGF MAG to through
off
> its self imposed limitations Š.²
> Agreeing that IGF needs to find a way to demonstrate more tangible
> outcome of its work, I doubt that NetMundial experience will be
> applied in 2014/2015 editions. There are several reasons for that:
>
> *
> NetMundial was focused on 2 issues - IGF is broad ranging
discussion
> *
> Purpose/aim of both meetings were different
> *
> Drafting of the Final statement started well in advance of
NetMundial
> *
> NetMundial had far more resources in terms of Secretarial
support
> (HL Committee, Bureau)
>
>
> That said, I hope that IGF will be able to demonstrate that things
> happen as a result of IGF elsewhere. You know that I launched a
call
> for a voluntary information submission:
>
> /The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on
the
> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on
> Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to
> provide a platform for information exchange, identify emerging
> challenges and possible solutions to addressing them, provide
capacity
> building, identify and disseminate best practices and forge
> partnerships for concrete actions./
>
> /Over the past few years, some sceptics of the IGF have suggested
that
> no actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the
IGF -
> that it is just a ³talk shop²./
>
> /In order to dissipate those doubts about the ³action orientation²
of
> the IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions
and
> decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a
result
> of the engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the
> various IGFs (international, regional or national)./
>
> /In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations
> and institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a
> voluntary basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have
been
> taken as a result of engagement during the current mandate of the
IGF
> the 2011,
> 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF
> Secretariat (/_/discussion_questions@//intgovforum.org/_
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://intgovforum.org/_"><http://intgovforum.org/_></a>
> <<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:discussion_questions@intgovforum.org">mailto:discussion_questions@intgovforum.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discussion_questions@intgovforum.org"><mailto:discussion_questions@intgovforum.org></a>>/) by 30 June 2014. The
> Secretariat will compile all information received and will present
a
> synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF./
>
> /Thank you for your participation/
>
>
> /Janis Karklins/
>
> /Interim Chair of the MAG/
>
>
> The IGF Secretariat will compile all submissions and I intend
present
> them at the opening of Istanbul IGF meeting. I hope that report
will
> dissipate, at least partially, perception that IGF is merely a
talk-shop.
> With greetings from sunny and warm Riga JK
>
> Sent from Surface
>
> *From:* Avri Doria <<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:avri@acm.org">mailto:avri@acm.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:avri@acm.org"><mailto:avri@acm.org></a>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:59 PM
> *To:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"><mailto:discuss@1net.org></a>
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> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org">internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org</a>
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>
> Hi,
>
> And beyond exegesis and spin on the document we should try to
import
> some of those techniques into the IGF so that it can also learn
how to
> produce some outcomes, e.g. inputs from IGF to other Ig
organizations.
>
> Following the lead of NetMundial, it is time for the IGF MAG to
throw
> off its self imposed limitation of being merely a program
committee so
> it can make recommendations to the UNSG on how to turn the IGF
into an
> organization that can actually produce results. While it is true
that
> the IGF has achieved a little just by existing, at this point if it
> wants to remain viable it needs to move beyond its infancy and
become
> a useful organization.
>
> In addition to some of the important work done by NetMundial in
> bridging the gap between the Internet and Human Rights and opening
the
> door to discussions on revising the government defined roles and
> responsibilities of the actors in the Internet ecosystem from
2003, it
> has shown us that it is possible for a multistakeholder
organization
> to produce outcomes. It is now time for the IGF to figure out how
to
> do the same.
>
> Additionally, the NetMundial has sent some tasks the IGF's way. I
> look forward to work on such issues as Net Neutrality at IGF2014.
>
> The mission of the IGF has been given a real push by NetMundial, I
> hope we don't waste the opportunity.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 26-Apr-14 16:36, John Curran wrote:
> > On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Marilyn Cade
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> >
> >> I think the opportunity ahead is how to further examine what
the
> >> "statement of Sao Paolo" says and how to continue work,
especially
> at >> IGF, but not only there.
> >
> > Indeed.
> > /John
> >
> > Disclaimer: My views alone.
> >
> >
> >
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