<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi Willi,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Could you explain what indirect addressing is?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Thanks. (I'm still
learning.)</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Nathalie </div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "discuss@1net.org" <discuss@1net.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 23, 2014 7:18 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [discuss] Internet: the INTER-connection of local NET-works<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><br clear="none">Dear friends,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">this discussion now focuses on the question:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Direct or indirect addressing
in the Internet?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">But this question we can answer only if we understand the requirements <br clear="none">of the data packet transport properly.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The transport of data packets is a geographical task because origin and <br clear="none">destination in communication are at different geographical locations. <br clear="none">Otherwise, these questions would not arise. It makes no sense to apply <br clear="none">the methods of internal addressing of CPU's, because it is a completely <br clear="none">different tasks in a completely different environment.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">When we realize what to do in order to transport data packets and what <br clear="none">information is necessary so that the packets even reach their goal, then <br clear="none">it becomes very easy.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Andrew has taken leave with great speech from this discussion.<br clear="none"><br
clear="none">He wrote:<br clear="none">"Today, on the actual Internet we have, if I am the registrant of an IP <br clear="none">address range and I move my data centre from one location to another, I <br clear="none">make a new announcement and everyone can find me automatically".<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Because he does not understand the content of DNS processes, he also <br clear="none">does not know what lies behind the facade of his "announcement". But he <br clear="none">acts as if he would be familiar.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Meanwhile, we have several examples of supposed experts on this list who <br clear="none">do not understand the contents of that of which they speak.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">JFC Morfin (Jefsey) has disappointed me a little. He knows very well the <br clear="none">history of the Internet, he knows many names. But is this sufficient? If <br clear="none">we do not develop our own criteria, then it is
better that we go to the <br clear="none">church. Like small child we can run behind the religious dogmas. Luis <br clear="none">Pouzin put it clearly in his texts to the catenet. Never stand the <br clear="none">physical requirements in the foreground. At that time the project was <br clear="none">stopped because the telecommunication companies of the different state <br clear="none">were afraid of a possible loss of their monopoly position. They prefer <br clear="none">the X25 protocol.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The main forces for indirect addressing in the Internet are government <br clear="none">intelligence agencies and the military authorities; public or private. <br clear="none">And it seems like their needs were always the most important in the last <br clear="none">40-50 years. There are not helpful many names of famous people.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Luis Pouzin was also fixed to the indirect addressing. Following of that <br
clear="none">was developed such illustrious names such as "Virtual Geo Network". Each <br clear="none">person can build such a virtual network if they want. Even virtual <br clear="none">communities of any kind. But we never allowed to make this nonsense to <br clear="none">the base.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The same is true for the pseudo-model OSI. Each person can think up to <br clear="none">any models. But models always remain just perceptions. They arise from <br clear="none">the attempt to outline the reality. But the determining factor is the <br clear="none">reality itself and not the idea of reality.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I can only hope that something more consciousness arises in this circle <br clear="none">about the reality. But based on my experience in so many threads in this <br clear="none">list I have big doubts. At least until the more passive reader <br clear="none">interfere. Then could also Luis Pouzin participate
in the discussion.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The geo-routing come today through the backdoor in again. In dynamic <br clear="none">meshnets of mobile devices without local access points, the geo-routing <br clear="none">has proven to be advantageous. Also a military line of research.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Even if that is not the issue here. We should think about, how we can <br clear="none">disolve all kinds of military worldwide. Then we have a lot less <br clear="none">problems in our lives. And not only in the internet.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Many greetings in solidarity, willi uebelherr<div class="yqt3305527760" id="yqtfd55914"><br clear="none">Jinotepe, Nicaragua<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">---<br clear="none">Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci�n de avast! Antivirus est� activa.<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.avast.com/"
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