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Is it not important to know who made the selection of people?<br>
Is that explained anywhere? Very odd process....for a
multi-stakeholder effort. <br>
Stephanie <br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-08-13, 21:30, michael gurstein
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
level of participation seems a bit heavy duty for organizing
a few training programs, authorizing some digital literacy
sessions and ordering up a few policy discussion groups but
I guess the CEO of Google and the rest don’t have all that
much to do with their time…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Ian Peter [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 13, 2014 6:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> michael gursteinpe<br>
<b>Cc:</b> '1Net List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] NetMundial Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">there
are a few things mentioned in the background paper –
some about capacity building, one about working to
build trust in the internet and its governance
ecosystem, and one about addressing internet issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
title="gurstein@gmail.com">michael gurstein</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:43 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
title="ian.peter@ianpeter.com">'Ian Peter'</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com"
title="joana@varonferraz.com">'Joana Varon'</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"
title="ca@cafonso.ca">'Carlos A. Afonso'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"
title="discuss@1net.org">'1Net List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
RE: [discuss] NetMundial Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
what do you think they are looking to build?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org">mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian Peter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ian Peter; Joana Varon; Carlos A.
Afonso<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 1Net List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] NetMundial
Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Just
to clarify my ambiguous statement– the comment
below as regards “all from western countries”
applies to academic selections, not civil
society. so to rephrase:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">representation
is very imbalanced. Only 6 legitimate civil
society people and 4 academics among over 100
attendees. And over 90 % of business reps, and
100% of academic reps, are from western
countries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Yes,
I know, you have to start somewhere. But if you
are building something, foundations matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://t.co/xUxOf0AvLl"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">http://t.co/xUxOf0AvLl</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
title="ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian Peter</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:50 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com"
title="joana@varonferraz.com">Joana
Varon</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"
title="ca@cafonso.ca">Carlos A. Afonso</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"
title="discuss@1net.org">1Net List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Re: [discuss] NetMundial Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">there
are a few leaked documents here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://t.co/xUxOf0AvLl"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">http://t.co/xUxOf0AvLl</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">representation
is very imbalanced. Only 6 legitimate
civil society people, 4 academics (all
from western countries) among over 100
attendees. And over 90 % of business reps
are from western countries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Yes,
I know, you have to start somewhere. But
if you are building something, foundations
matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Ian
Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com"
title="joana@varonferraz.com">Joana
Varon</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Thursday, August 14, 2014 6:59 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"
title="ca@cafonso.ca">Carlos A.
Afonso</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"
title="discuss@1net.org">1Net List</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
Re: [discuss] NetMundial Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">@Peter,
there is nowhere to see that. That is
exactly the problem, no one has been
informed. As we can see from the answers
of our colleagues in this list. Quite
different from NETMundial organization
process, transparency, openness and
participation has not being the values
so far. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">It
would be super useful we can use
this list to exchange information
(as proposed by Avri) and views.
Particularly because not everyone
has access to information on that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">joana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Carlos
A. Afonso <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"
target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Most
of us in BR also know very little
about this. Glad to have this
dialogue.<br>
<br>
[]s fraternos</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888"><br>
<br>
<span class="hoenzb">--c.a.</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<br>
On 08/13/2014 01:17 PM, Stephanie
Perrin wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">1.
Great idea to re-initiate the
list. Thanks!<br>
2. I know absolutely nothing but
am very curious.<br>
Stephanie<br>
On 14-08-13 11:52 AM, Avri Doria
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
On 13-Aug-14 09:29, Nnenna
Nwakanma wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I'm
interested in the answer.<br>
Shouldnt it be a "Yes"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Probably,
and perhaps I was being silly
asking. It was just with the<br>
re-birth of the list, I figured to
tread carefully at first.<br>
<br>
I understand there will be some
sort of announcement at the IGF
about<br>
it, and I have been a part of few
conversations where it was
discussed,<br>
but where few of us really knew
what we were talking about because
each<br>
of us knew so little. These were
conversations in which various
people<br>
tried to gather the shards of
information they had managed to
collect on<br>
the behind the scenes NI
organizing effort, to try and get
a larger<br>
picture.<br>
<br>
I was hoping that:<br>
<br>
a. this list might be an
appropriate place to gather more
of those<br>
shards together<br>
<br>
b. that perhaps, those with
authoritative knowledge might
share it.<br>
<br>
c. this larger non-governmental
multistakeholder assemblage could
start<br>
vetting the idea.<br>
<br>
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