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<DIV>Thanks Janis for that useful information.</DIV>
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<DIV>What puzzles me is the direct association being created with Netmundial –
the WEF letterhead for this initiative has a footer with the site <A
href="http://www.netmundial.org">www.netmundial.org</A> – the web address used
for the Brazilian event.</DIV>
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<DIV>Does WEF now own the name Netmundial? Who transferred it to them or gave
them permission to use it? Is Netmundial’s future as an initiative of WEF?
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<DIV>I am puzzled by this direct association and use of the NetMundial
brand.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=karklinsj@gmail.com
href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com">Janis Karklins</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:39 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=joana@varonferraz.com
href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com">Joana Varon</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=discuss@1net.org
href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [discuss] NetMundial Initiative</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>As being one of invited to the launch event of the <SPAN tabIndex=-1
id=:35x.1 style="BACKGROUND: yellow"><SPAN tabIndex=-1
id=:35x.1>WEF</SPAN></SPAN> initiative I would like to share information that I
possess.</DIV>
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<DIV>The World Economic Forum is an international institution committed to
improving the state of the world through public-private cooperation (statement
on the website). <SPAN tabIndex=-1 id=:35x.2>WEF</SPAN> communities are various
and more can be seen at <A href="http://www">http://www</A>.<SPAN tabIndex=-1
id=:35x.3>weforum</SPAN>.org/communities. Organizationally the <SPAN tabIndex=-1
id=:35x.4>WEF</SPAN> is membership organization where big multinationals from
all over the world are widely represented. The <SPAN tabIndex=-1
id=:35x.5>WEF</SPAN> invites representatives of governments, academia, civil
society, world of arts participate in their meetings and engage with key
industry leaders. This explains why the invitees list is one you see.</DIV>
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<DIV>I was told that the initiative is geared towards bringing to attention of
the industry leaders and key government representatives Internet governance
issues, emphasising the need of preservation and promotion of the
multi-stakeholder model, as well as supporting the <SPAN tabIndex=-1
id=:35x.6>IGF</SPAN> as a multi-stakeholder discussion platform by enlarging
participation in its work of those companies and governments that haven't been
involved until know.</DIV>
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<DIV>I know that Alan Markus intends to present and discuss the initiative at
the 2014 <SPAN tabIndex=-1 id=:35x.7>IGF</SPAN> meeting and there will be ample
opportunity for the <SPAN tabIndex=-1 id=:35x.8>IG</SPAN> community to clarify
details.</DIV>
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<DIV>I hope that this information is useful.</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN tabIndex=-1 id=:35x.9>JK</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Joana Varon <SPAN
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target=_blank>joana@varonferraz.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr><B>Current status of IG debate:</B> we need leaks to know what is
going on! Pretty bad for a start.
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<DIV>@jordan carter: "<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif">why a noted business
centred forum is the place to launch an Internet governance initiative?" - a
question to be echoed indeed.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif">It is a shame after the whole attempt of
NETMudial to innovate in a meeting process, seeking some transparency,
openness and inclusion, something like this comes up under the same "brand".
Hello Brazil?!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>@jeremy and members of the so called "evil cabal", if you go, you have an
important role to feed people with the most important asset: information. I
bet we will be always prompt for feedback. <BR></DIV>
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<DIV>hoping for the best, though looking at... the worst?</DIV>
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<DIV>regards</DIV><SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT color=#888888>
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<DIV>joana</DIV></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV><BR>-- <BR>-- <BR><BR>Joana Varon Ferraz<BR>@joana_varon<BR>PGP
0x016B8E73<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Seth Johnson <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:seth.p.johnson@gmail.com"
target=_blank>seth.p.johnson@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">More
that the IGF phase wasn't going to work. IGF has always been in<BR>a
tough spot, not so much fumbling the ball -- as if that's anything<BR>other
than an endemic feature of any organization of a similar<BR>institutional
nature -- but not empowered and pining for standing.<BR>But Netmundial
wasn't executed well in that regard (they announced<BR>sponsorship of IGF,
but they also weren't quite able to make things<BR>stick), so they need to
patch he information society process up by a<BR>more blunt move that steps
past IGF rather than going through a<BR>process of engaging folks in issues
via IGF as per plan. I think<BR>they're figuring they'll be able to
just brazen it out.<BR>
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<DIV><BR><BR>On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <<A
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target=_blank>jmalcolm@eff.org</A>>
wrote:<BR>> I think it's more the case that the IGF has so badly fumbled
the ball that<BR>> it falls to someone - anyone - else to pick it up. But
that is not to<BR>> discount the valid criticisms that others have
expressed and that I agree<BR>> with.<BR>><BR>> Disclaimer: I'm a
member of the evil cabal.<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Jeremy Malcolm<BR>>
Senior Global Policy Analyst<BR>> Electronic Frontier Foundation<BR>>
<A href="https://eff.org" target=_blank>https://eff.org</A><BR>> <A
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
target=_blank>jmalcolm@eff.org</A><BR>><BR>> Tel: <A
href="tel:415.436.9333%20ext%20161" target=_blank
value="+14154369333">415.436.9333 ext 161</A><BR>><BR>> :: Defending
Your Rights in the Digital World ::<BR>><BR>> On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:57
PM, Jordan Carter <<A href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
target=_blank>jordan@internetnz.net.nz</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Can
someone explain why a noted business centred forum is the place to<BR>>
launch an Internet governance initiative?<BR>><BR>> I genuinely don't
understand that.<BR>><BR>> I thought the whole lesson of netmundial
was that genuine multi stakeholder<BR>> approaches work well, not that it
was a nice experiment to be ignored.<BR>><BR>> It would be helpful if
those who rule us, as it were, would rapidly disclose<BR>> some
authoritative information.<BR>><BR>> Jordan<BR>><BR>> On
Thursday, 14 August 2014, Stephen Farrell <<A
href="mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie"
target=_blank>stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie</A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Gotta say... seems like elitist
nonsense to me having looked<BR>>> at the invite list and other docs.
The elitist part should be<BR>>> obvious. The nonsense part is due
to almost none of the list<BR>>> of invitees being known for
knowing about the Internet. It<BR>>> seems much more an elite than an
Internet-savvy list of folks<BR>>> being asked to form a new cabal.
That said, cabals aren't all<BR>>> bad, and I've no reason to think
very badly of this particular<BR>>> subset of the elite and its I
guess just more meaningless policy<BR>>> stuff so I don't need to care
very much.<BR>>><BR>>> That said, it seems a pity for this to be
the next step after<BR>>> the Brazil gig which seemed relatively
open.<BR>>><BR>>> S.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On
14/08/14 02:36, William Drake wrote:<BR>>> > Hi<BR>>>
><BR>>> > I proposed several times to the 1NET Co Com that 1NET
explore serving as<BR>>> > a more open multistakeholder vehicle for
connecting people to the NETmundial<BR>>> > Initiative.
Several members expressed support for that, but since how the<BR>>>
> NMI will evolve remains very unclear it’s hard to know ex ante how
this<BR>>> > could work. I made the same suggestion to Fadi
in London, didn’t get much<BR>>> > reaction.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > As I understand the basic idea, NMI will have a six
month launch managed<BR>>> > by WEF but the hope would be that this
leads to something broader and more<BR>>> > inclusive in a second
phase. Not how I would have done it, but that said I<BR>>> >
wouldn’t assume before the fact that the second phase will not come.
We<BR>>> > have to see for starters how the conversation goes 28
August and what is<BR>>> > possible…<BR>>> ><BR>>>
> Bill<BR>>> ><BR>>> > On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:00 PM,
Avri Doria <<A href="mailto:avri@ACM.ORG"
target=_blank>avri@ACM.ORG</A>> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>>
>> Hi,<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Just wondering, is
this a proper list for those who have been catching<BR>>> >>
bits and pieces of the ICANN/WEF 'NetMundial Initiaitve' to be<BR>>>
>> discussed.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> I think it
might be, and have even suggested it to others, but figured<BR>>>
>> I<BR>>> >> better check first.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >> avri<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>
_______________________________________________<BR>>> >> discuss
mailing list<BR>>> >> <A href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"
target=_blank>discuss@1net.org</A><BR>>> >> <A
href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss"
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_______________________________________________<BR>>> > discuss
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_______________________________________________<BR>>> discuss mailing
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--<BR>> --<BR>> Jordan Carter<BR>> Chief Executive,
InternetNZ<BR>><BR>> <A href="tel:%2B64-21-442-649" target=_blank
value="+6421442649">+64-21-442-649</A> | <A
href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
target=_blank>jordan@internetnz.net.nz</A><BR>><BR>> Sent on the run,
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