<div dir="ltr"><b>Current status of IG debate:</b> we need leaks to know what is going on! Pretty bad for a start. <div><br></div><div>@jordan carter: "<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">why a noted business centred forum is the place to launch an Internet governance initiative?" - a question to be echoed indeed.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">It is a shame after the whole attempt of NETMudial to innovate in a meeting process, seeking some transparency, openness and inclusion, something like this comes up under the same "brand". Hello Brazil?!</font></div>
<div><br></div><div>@jeremy and members of the so called "evil cabal", if you go, you have an important role to feed people with the most important asset: information. I bet we will be always prompt for feedback. <br>
</div><div><br></div><div>hoping for the best, though looking at... the worst?</div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div>joana</div><div><br class="">-- <br>-- <br><br>Joana Varon Ferraz<br>@joana_varon<br>
PGP 0x016B8E73<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Seth Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seth.p.johnson@gmail.com" target="_blank">seth.p.johnson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">More that the IGF phase wasn't going to work. IGF has always been in<br>
a tough spot, not so much fumbling the ball -- as if that's anything<br>
other than an endemic feature of any organization of a similar<br>
institutional nature -- but not empowered and pining for standing.<br>
But Netmundial wasn't executed well in that regard (they announced<br>
sponsorship of IGF, but they also weren't quite able to make things<br>
stick), so they need to patch he information society process up by a<br>
more blunt move that steps past IGF rather than going through a<br>
process of engaging folks in issues via IGF as per plan. I think<br>
they're figuring they'll be able to just brazen it out.<br>
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I think it's more the case that the IGF has so badly fumbled the ball that<br>
> it falls to someone - anyone - else to pick it up. But that is not to<br>
> discount the valid criticisms that others have expressed and that I agree<br>
> with.<br>
><br>
> Disclaimer: I'm a member of the evil cabal.<br>
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> On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Can someone explain why a noted business centred forum is the place to<br>
> launch an Internet governance initiative?<br>
><br>
> I genuinely don't understand that.<br>
><br>
> I thought the whole lesson of netmundial was that genuine multi stakeholder<br>
> approaches work well, not that it was a nice experiment to be ignored.<br>
><br>
> It would be helpful if those who rule us, as it were, would rapidly disclose<br>
> some authoritative information.<br>
><br>
> Jordan<br>
><br>
> On Thursday, 14 August 2014, Stephen Farrell <<a href="mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie">stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Gotta say... seems like elitist nonsense to me having looked<br>
>> at the invite list and other docs. The elitist part should be<br>
>> obvious. The nonsense part is due to almost none of the list<br>
>> of invitees being known for knowing about the Internet. It<br>
>> seems much more an elite than an Internet-savvy list of folks<br>
>> being asked to form a new cabal. That said, cabals aren't all<br>
>> bad, and I've no reason to think very badly of this particular<br>
>> subset of the elite and its I guess just more meaningless policy<br>
>> stuff so I don't need to care very much.<br>
>><br>
>> That said, it seems a pity for this to be the next step after<br>
>> the Brazil gig which seemed relatively open.<br>
>><br>
>> S.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 14/08/14 02:36, William Drake wrote:<br>
>> > Hi<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I proposed several times to the 1NET Co Com that 1NET explore serving as<br>
>> > a more open multistakeholder vehicle for connecting people to the NETmundial<br>
>> > Initiative. Several members expressed support for that, but since how the<br>
>> > NMI will evolve remains very unclear it’s hard to know ex ante how this<br>
>> > could work. I made the same suggestion to Fadi in London, didn’t get much<br>
>> > reaction.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > As I understand the basic idea, NMI will have a six month launch managed<br>
>> > by WEF but the hope would be that this leads to something broader and more<br>
>> > inclusive in a second phase. Not how I would have done it, but that said I<br>
>> > wouldn’t assume before the fact that the second phase will not come. We<br>
>> > have to see for starters how the conversation goes 28 August and what is<br>
>> > possible…<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Bill<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ACM.ORG">avri@ACM.ORG</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Hi,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Just wondering, is this a proper list for those who have been catching<br>
>> >> bits and pieces of the ICANN/WEF 'NetMundial Initiaitve' to be<br>
>> >> discussed.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I think it might be, and have even suggested it to others, but figured<br>
>> >> I<br>
>> >> better check first.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> avri<br>
>> >><br>
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