<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Pindar Wong <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target="_blank">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I guess the details will surface during tomorrow&#39;s event.<br><br>However does anyone know the remote participation details?<br>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Apparently it will be:-<br><br><a href="http://wef.ch/netmundial">http://wef.ch/netmundial</a><br><br></div><div>p.<br><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div>From the FAQ: &#39; Both working sessions and the press conference will be webcast live, and there will be an active blog and discussion board established to facilitate a two-way flow of information with the public&#39;<br>

<br></div>p.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:19 AM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

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    I am very curious as to what the precise funding is for the NMI
    initiative at the WEF.  Does anyone know?<br>
    Kind regards,<br>
    Stephanie Perrin<br>
    <div>On 2014-08-15, 2:14, Nnenna Nwakanma
      wrote:<br>
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            <div>I woke up early this morning and read Anne Jellema (CEO
              of Web Foundation)&#39;s blog post. She titled it <a>&quot;Fall
                of Internet Governance?&quot;</a><br>
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            I found it interesting, especially from the civil society
            point of view.<br>
            <br>
            Nnenna<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:13 AM,
              Chip Sharp (chsharp) <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:chsharp@cisco.com" target="_blank">chsharp@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span>
              wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Nick, all,</div>
                  <div>I hope you all are doing well.  Please keep in
                    mind that what has been leaked is an invitation
                    list, not an attendance list.  I don&#39;t assume it is
                    a list of supporters.  I just don&#39;t see all the
                    invited industry CEOs dropping everything on short
                    notice and flying to Davos.  </div>
                  <div>I&#39;m just going to have to wait and hear what
                    those of you who choose to attend report back and
                    what is reported out at IGF.</div>
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                      <div>Chip</div>
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                        On Aug 14, 2014, at 9:33 PM, &quot;Nick Ashton-Hart&quot;
                        &lt;<a href="mailto:nashton@internet-ecosystem.org" target="_blank">nashton@internet-ecosystem.org</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Dear Joe and all,
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>I think Janis’ reply to yours below and
                            Kathy’s after that captured the essence of
                            what I would say. I would add two things:</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>From what has been leaked, the level of
                            support is robust and broad; it is
                            particularly welcome to see so many senior
                            industry leaders from ‘non-traditional’
                            Internet governance-engaged firms on board
                            this early. I also like hearing that major
                            NGOs who have historically had limited time
                            and effort for Internet policy are getting
                            involved. We need their muscle, their ideas,
                            and their expertise. </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Secondly, I would add that as I know Rick
                            Samans of WEF and have spoken to him at
                            length about the Internet policy landscape I
                            think the process will end up being a real
                            asset to the very difficult situation that
                            the Internet faces, where, frankly, the
                            traditional &#39;Internet Governance’ space is
                            being wagged by much bigger and more
                            powerful dogs to the detriment of everyone.
                            We need new, and high level, engagement and
                            new collaborative processes to get to a
                            place where we are working from shared
                            positive incentives and across much broader
                            areas than traditional Internet Governance
                            represents and covers.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Regards Nick</div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div>On 14 Aug 2014, at 12:52, joseph
                                alhadeff &lt;<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>&gt;
                                wrote:</div>
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I
                                  wanted to write to echo many of
                                  Anriette&#39;s sentiments.  I too am
                                  writing in my personal capacity as we
                                  are canvassing the ICC-BASIS
                                  membership on their views.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  First, let me clarify that while
                                  business actively engaged in the Net
                                  Mundial meeting and supported it&#39;s
                                  outcomes, there were significant
                                  process and other shortcomings in the
                                  runup and operation of Net Mundial. 
                                  Business has not focused on these
                                  issues as we believed that it was more
                                  important to focus on achievements
                                  rather than shortcomings, but if there
                                  are attempts to institutionalize the
                                  concept of Net Mundial, then this line
                                  of inquiry will need to be explored in
                                  detail.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Second, Net Mundial played an
                                  important role at a point in time,
                                  where reflection and inflection was
                                  needed; it served that purpose well. 
                                  It is unclear to me that there is any
                                  permanent need for such and event.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Third, I would respectfully disagree
                                  with those most recent posts that
                                  justify the WEF initiative by the
                                  fumbling of IGF.  Can and should IGF
                                  be improved?  Yes, absolutely.  Does
                                  IGF play a useful role, even in its
                                  present role, I believe it does. 
                                  After these years of IGF we have begun
                                  to take the conversation it engenders
                                  for granted.  While these
                                  multistakeholder conversations don&#39;t
                                  yield immediate results they are the
                                  stepping stones to understanding and a
                                  foundation of consensus.  IGF remains
                                  one of the few places if not<span> </span><b><i>the</i></b><span> </span>place
                                  for such conversation to occur.  The
                                  frustration is that we don&#39;t build on
                                  the small victories in consensus, we
                                  don&#39;t properly capture the capacity
                                  building and we are not sufficiently
                                  innovative in considering how to
                                  approach these issues.  Net Mundial
                                  and the prep for this IGF has
                                  increased the focus on these topis and
                                  has generated some hope and
                                  anticipation for real improvements to
                                  be considered. These improvements 
                                  should not be made at the expense of
                                  the unique DNA of the organization -
                                  the avoidance of positions around
                                  negotiated text.  We have alphabets of
                                  three and four letter organizations
                                  already engaged in that trade and we
                                  need no more of those.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Fourth, The WEF NMI.  I would concur
                                  that this is an inauspicious way to
                                  launch a multistakeholder initiative. 
                                  The process we are all engaged in now,
                                  rooting out facts and chasing down
                                  rumors, is somewhat reminiscent of
                                  what we were doing in Bali related to
                                  what would become Net Mundial. While
                                  there may be some beneficial need for
                                  positive engagement from the top,
                                  mutlistakeholder must also have bottom
                                  up roots.  WEF may have a role to
                                  play, but to do so they must be more
                                  transparent as to motivation,
                                  outcomes, process and participation. 
                                  It is also important for the WEF NMI
                                  to reinforce, as Net Mundial did, the
                                  important role of IGF and highlight
                                  how they will support that role and
                                  function. <span> </span><br>
                                  <br>
                                  I would also like to point out that
                                  this fact clearing-house function may
                                  do more to return active participation
                                  to the 1net discuss list than any
                                  topic since Net Mundial.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Joe<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  n 8/14/2014 11:10 AM, Stephanie Perrin
                                  wrote
                                  <blockquote type="cite">Thanks for
                                    this excellent post Anriette. 
                                    Obviously, I agree whole-heartedly. 
                                    I am very glad you are going, and I
                                    wish you all the luck in the world. 
                                    You will likely need it.<br>
                                    Best wishes.<br>
                                    Stephanie Perrin<br>
                                    <div>On 14-08-14 8:00 AM, Anriette
                                      Esterhuysen wrote:<br>
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                                    <blockquote type="cite"><font size="+1"><font size="+1">Dear
                                          all<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Writing this in my personal
                                          capacity. My organisation, the
                                          Association for Progressive
                                          Communications, has not yet
                                          finalised its reaction to this
                                          discussion.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I have not been involved in
                                          the NETmundial initiative, but
                                          have been aware of it since
                                          ICANN 50 in London. I have
                                          been invited to the 28 August
                                          event.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Aside from those concerns
                                          already stated on this list,
                                          which I share, I want to add I
                                          am not convinced that this
                                          initiative, based at the WEF,
                                          and adopting a &#39;get all the
                                          great leaders into the room&#39;
                                          approach is what is really
                                          needed to build on the
                                          substantial achievements of
                                          the NETmundial.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I have always been an admirer
                                          of initiative and risk taking
                                          in the service of the &#39;greater
                                          good&#39; and I don&#39;t want to
                                          condemn the NETmundial
                                          initiative or its initiators. 
                                          I do believe it should be
                                          viewed critically however, as
                                          a lot is at stake.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Getting process right is never
                                          easy, but it is important to
                                          try hard to do so,
                                          particularly when building
                                          something that is intended to
                                          be long term.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          The NETmundial process was not
                                          perfect, but it made a HUGE
                                          effort to be inclusive and
                                          transparent. The degree to
                                          which it succeeded contributed
                                          to its legitimacy and
                                          success.  The NETmundial
                                          Initiative needs to consider
                                          this very carefully.  Of
                                          course it makes sense to work
                                          with smaller groups of people
                                          to get any initiative going,
                                          but in the internet world, and
                                          probably in the world
                                          everywhere these days, not
                                          being transparent about how
                                          these smaller groups are
                                          constituted and how they
                                          operate is 1) a lost cause as
                                          leaking can be assumed, 2) not
                                          necessary and 3) probably
                                          somewhat foolish.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          But assuming that the
                                          NETmundial Initiative process
                                          will become more transparent
                                          and inclusive in the next few
                                          weeks, I still have a
                                          fundamental concern about its
                                          format and location.  I am not
                                          convinced that it is
                                          tactically what is really
                                          needed to build on the
                                          substantial achievements of
                                          the NETmundial, the IGF before
                                          it, and the many people who
                                          have tried to make
                                          multi-stakeholder internet
                                          policy processes work in the
                                          real world over the last
                                          decade.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          My reasons are (mostly) as
                                          follows:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <b>1) Choice of &#39;location&#39; in
                                            the context of power and
                                            politics in
                                            multi-stakeholder internet
                                            governance</b><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Most of us consider the
                                          NETmundial a success and the
                                          NETmundial statement a strong,
                                          positive document that avoids
                                          the traps of &#39;cheap&#39;
                                          consensus.<span> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                          By that I mean that the final
                                          statement reflects consensus,
                                          disagreement, and issues that
                                          need follow-up and further
                                          elaboration. That not all
                                          agreed on the pre-final draft
                                          (there were some last minute
                                          disagreements about text
                                          related to  intermediary
                                          liability and surveillance)
                                          with the final version
                                          reflecting these negotiations
                                          actually makes it an even
                                          stronger document, in my view,
                                          even if some of the text I
                                          would have liked to see in it
                                          was excluded. To me this
                                          represents that the
                                          stakeholders involved in the
                                          development of the text were
                                          able to work together, and
                                          disagree. The disagreement was
                                          resolved in favour of the more
                                          power and influential - not
                                          civil society of course. I
                                          don&#39;t mind this. It reflects
                                          reality. And I know that civil
                                          society did also gain hugely
                                          with most of our demands
                                          making it through. Over time
                                          these power arrangements might
                                          change, and those of us
                                          working for the public
                                          interested in these processes
                                          have to keep on contesting,
                                          and negotiating.
                                          Multi-stakeholder processes
                                          where this does not happen are
                                          not worth the time we spend on
                                          them.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Power and influence matters,
                                          and will continue to do so. In
                                          choosing a site for taking the
                                          NETmundial forward attention
                                          has to be given to ensuring
                                          that it is a platform where
                                          dynamics related to power and
                                          influence among stakeholders
                                          in IG is able to play
                                          themselves out on a relatively
                                          equal playing field, with that
                                          playing field becoming more
                                          equal as time goes on.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          WEF does not provide this. 
                                          Yes, certain big name civil
                                          society leaders attend WEF
                                          meetings. Others are present.
                                          Developing country leaders
                                          also attend, and it is seen as
                                          a powerful pro-business, pro
                                          US and Europe forum for
                                          reaching business leaders, and
                                          facilitating networking among
                                          the prominent and powerful
                                          (with some being both).<br>
                                          <br>
                                          But is it the right space to
                                          establish something sustained,
                                          inclusive and bottom up that
                                          can gradually lead the way in
                                          building the legitimacy and
                                          inclusiveness needed to
                                          operationalise the NETmundial
                                          outcomes at global, regional,
                                          and national levels? I don&#39;t
                                          think so.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I say this not to disrespect
                                          the staff of the WEF or people
                                          who participate in WEF forums,
                                          or of ICANN, or anyone else
                                          involved in the NETmundial
                                          initiative. But first and
                                          foremost as someone from a
                                          developing country who has
                                          experienced the ups and downs
                                          and highs and lows of
                                          multistakeholder IG for a long
                                          time and secondly as a member
                                          of civil society. To me WEF
                                          simply does not feel like a
                                          space where developing country
                                          people and civil society will
                                          ever have a equal power with
                                          powerful &quot;northern&quot;
                                          governments and global
                                          business.<br>
                                           <br>
                                          <b>2) What do we really need
                                            to</b><b>operationalise and
                                            consolidate the NETmundial
                                            outcomes?<span> </span><br>
                                            <br>
                                          </b>Glamorous gatherings of
                                          the powerful and prominent in
                                          IG (be they government, from
                                          the north and the south, tech
                                          community, business or civil
                                          society) will help to keep
                                          networking going, create the
                                          opportunity for
                                          self-congratulation for those
                                          of us who were part of the
                                          NETmundial in some way (and I
                                          had the privilege to make
                                          submissions online, and to be
                                          involved in the co-chairing
                                          some of the drafting on site
                                          in Sao Paulo).<br>
                                          <br>
                                          But is that what is really
                                          needed to integrate what the
                                          NETmundial stands for (public
                                          interested, democratic
                                          multistakeholder and human
                                          rights oriented internet
                                          governance) into the day to
                                          day running of the internet in
                                          ways that will be felt by
                                          existing and future users?<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I don&#39;t think so. <span> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                          I think that what is needed
                                          is  building lasting (and they
                                          have to be very strong because
                                          they will be attacked) bridges
                                          between a process such as
                                          NETmundial, and its outcomes,
                                          and institutions and people
                                          that make governance and
                                          regulatory decisions on a day
                                          to day basis. I want to see,
                                          for example, freedom of
                                          expression online enshrined in
                                          the contitutions of very
                                          government of the world. I
                                          want governments (and where
                                          relevant, businesses) to be
                                          held accountable for making
                                          sure that all people
                                          everywhere can access the
                                          internet.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          This means engaging those that
                                          are not yet part of the
                                          multi-stakeholder internet
                                          governance &#39;in-crowd&#39;.  It
                                          requires working with national
                                          governments. Regional
                                          intergovernmental bodies as
                                          well as international onces,
                                          including those in the UN
                                          system.<span> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Will a NETmundial Initiative
                                          based at the WEF prevent the
                                          rejection of multi-stakeholder
                                          processes (and of women&#39;s
                                          rights for that matter) that
                                          was evident in the CSTD
                                          Working Group on Enhanced
                                          Cooperation?  Or efforts among
                                          ITU member states to increase
                                          governmental oversight over
                                          internet governance? Or
                                          tension between blocks of
                                          states with divides between
                                          the developed and the
                                          developing world?<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I think that is the test it
                                          will need to pass with flying
                                          colours if it were to make the
                                          gains that are needed, and
                                          that are not already being
                                          made through processes such as
                                          the IGF, even if only in part.
                                          And a good starting point
                                          would be to identify how those
                                          governments that were at the
                                          NETmundial, but whom did not
                                          support the final statement
                                          publicly (some said publicly
                                          they did not support it, and
                                          others failed to show support
                                          simply by staying silent). <span> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                          How do they feel about this
                                          WEF-based NETmundial
                                          initiative? I see some of them
                                          are invited. I know of at
                                          least one, present in Sao
                                          Paulo and invited to the
                                          NETmundial Initiative, who
                                          does not support either.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Apologies for ranting and
                                          raving somewhat. The point I
                                          am trying to make is that for
                                          internet regulation across the
                                          ecosystem to comply with the
                                          principles in the NETmundial
                                          statement and get get the
                                          NETmundial roadmap used as a
                                          guide we don&#39;t need more
                                          expensive global gatherings. 
                                          We need existing governance
                                          institutions and processes,
                                          including those not yet on the
                                          multi-stakeholder bandwagon,
                                          to consider and adopt
                                          NETmundial principles and
                                          integrate those into their
                                          governance decisions and
                                          processes. And I am not
                                          convinced that a WEF based
                                          forum constituted in the way
                                          the NETmundial Initiative has
                                          been, is up to that task.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <b>3) NETmundial<span> </span></b><b>Initiative
                                            and the IGF and the broader
                                            internet community</b><br>
                                          <br>
                                          The NETmundial outcome
                                          documents mentions the IGF
                                          repeatedly. It recommends
                                          strengthening of the IGF, and
                                          asks the IGF to take the
                                          discussion of complex IG
                                          issues forward. This reflects
                                          both the inputs received prior
                                          to the Sao Paulo meeting, as
                                          well as deliberations in Sao
                                          Paulo.  It reflects the will
                                          of those from ALL stakeholder
                                          groups who participated in the
                                          NETmundial.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I therefore find completely
                                          inappropriate that an
                                          initiative which takes the
                                          name of the NETmundial, and
                                          which sets out to take the
                                          NETmundial outcomes forward,
                                          does not have a closer link to
                                          the IGF. <span> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                          In fact, at the very least it
                                          should have used the IGF as a
                                          platform for presenting itself
                                          and getting feedback from the
                                          broader community active in
                                          the internet governance
                                          ecosystem which has been using
                                          the IGF as its primary
                                          discussion space.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          The IGF is an existing forum
                                          that is still linked to the UN
                                          system, and through that, to
                                          those parts of the internet
                                          governance ecosystem populated
                                          by governments. It is a
                                          bridge. It needs to be
                                          stronger, and used more, but
                                          it exists and many of us has
                                          put a lot of work into it over
                                          the last 8 years.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Without much capacity and
                                          resources, the IGF continues
                                          year after year, overwhelmed
                                          with a demand from the
                                          internet community it cannot
                                          come close to meet (e.g. no of
                                          workshop proposals that cannot
                                          be accommodated). Regional and
                                          national IGFs have their own
                                          trajectory too.. ups and downs
                                          there too.. but overall
                                          becoming more inclusive.  The
                                          IGF process has not even begun
                                          to fulfill its potential.
                                          Particularly not at the level
                                          of interacting with other
                                          institutions and capturing and
                                          communicating the outcomes
                                          from IGF discussions
                                          effectively.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          1000s of people have been
                                          working in this IGF processes,
                                          people who are trying to
                                          create change on the ground by
                                          getting different stakeholder
                                          groups to listen to one
                                          another and work towards a
                                          more inclusive and fair
                                          internet. People who are
                                          trying to find constructive
                                          ways of challenging practices
                                          (be they driven by governments
                                          or business) that, for
                                          example. blocks affordable
                                          access, or free expression on
                                          the internet.  If you count
                                          all the IGFs around the world
                                          we are talking about 10s of
                                          thousands of people.  The lack
                                          of respect shown to all these
                                          people and organisations by
                                          NETmundial Initiative rings
                                          loud alarm bells in my ears.<span> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                          I might be overly sensitive. 
                                          I will really happy if my
                                          skepticism proves to be
                                          unfounded as I really do
                                          believe that we need
                                          democratic multi-stakeholder
                                          governance of the internet,
                                          and I believe that the
                                          NETmundial principles can help
                                          us get there.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I guess I am also somewhat
                                          saddened.. having invested so
                                          much in th NETmundial, that
                                          this, the first initiative
                                          after April 2014 to take its
                                          name, is doing such a bad job
                                          at living up to what the
                                          NETmundial process principles
                                          advocate.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Anriette</font><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </font>
                                      <div>On 14/08/2014 09:52, Chris
                                        Disspain wrote:m<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote type="cite">
                                        <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div dir="ltr">I was told
                                              that the initiative is
                                              geared towards bringing to
                                              attention of the industry
                                              leaders and key government
                                              representatives Internet
                                              governance issues,
                                              emphasising the need of
                                              preservation and promotion
                                              of the multi-stakeholder
                                              model, as well as
                                              supporting the <span>IGF</span> as
                                              a multi-stakeholder
                                              discussion platform by
                                              enlarging participation in
                                              its work of those
                                              companies and governments
                                              that haven&#39;t been involved
                                              until kn</div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <div>(l<br>
                                          </div>
                                          Yes, that is also my
                                          understanding. A particular
                                          emphasis was made of
                                          supporting the IGF but, I
                                          guess, time will tell.<br>
                                          <div>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                            <div style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(148,67,251)">Cheers,
                                              wha<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(148,67,251);min-height:16px"> <br>


                                            </div>
                                            <div style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(148,67,251)">Chri<span> </span><br>


                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>On 14 Aug 2014, at
                                              17:39 , Janis Karklins
                                              &lt;<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com" target="_blank">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                              wrote:</div>
                                            <br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <div>As being one of
                                                  invited to the launch
                                                  event of the<span> </span><span style="background-color:yellow"><span>WEF</span></span><span> </span>initiative

                                                  I would like to share
                                                  information that I
                                                  possess.</div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div>The World Economic
                                                  Forum is an
                                                  international
                                                  institution committed
                                                  to improving the state
                                                  of the world through
                                                  public-private
                                                  cooperation (statement
                                                  on the website).<span> </span><span>WEF</span>communities

                                                  are various and more
                                                  can be seen at<a href="http://www/" target="_blank">http://www</a>.<span>weforum</span>.org/communities.
                                                  Organizationally the<span> </span><span>WEF</span>is

                                                  membership
                                                  organization where big
                                                  multinationals from
                                                  all over the world are
                                                  widely represented.
                                                  The<span> </span><span>WEF</span><span> </span>invites
                                                  representatives of
                                                  governments, academia,
                                                  civil society, world
                                                  of arts participate in
                                                  their meetings and
                                                  engage with key
                                                  industry leaders. This
                                                  explains why the
                                                  invitees list is one
                                                  you see.</div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div>I was told that the
                                                  initiative is geared
                                                  towards bringing to
                                                  attention of the
                                                  industry leaders and
                                                  key government
                                                  representatives
                                                  Internet governance
                                                  issues, emphasising
                                                  the need of
                                                  preservation and
                                                  promotion of the
                                                  multi-stakeholder
                                                  model, as well as
                                                  supporting the<span> </span><span>IGF</span><span> </span>as
                                                  a multi-stakeholder
                                                  discussion platform by
                                                  enlarging
                                                  participation in its
                                                  work of those
                                                  companies and
                                                  governments that
                                                  haven&#39;t been involved
                                                  until know.</div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div>I know that Alan
                                                  Markus intends to
                                                  present and discuss
                                                  the initiative at the
                                                  2014<span> </span><span>IGF</span><span> </span>meeting
                                                  and there will be
                                                  ample opportunity for
                                                  the<span> </span><span>IG</span><span> </span>community
                                                  to clarify details.</div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div>I hope that this
                                                  information is useful.</div>
                                                <div><span>JK</span></div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at
                                                  10:11 AM, Joana Varon<span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com" target="_blank">joana@varonferraz.com</a>&gt;</span><span> </span>wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div dir="ltr"><b>Current
                                                        status of IG
                                                        debate:</b><span> </span>we
                                                      need leaks to know
                                                      what is going on!
                                                      Pretty bad for a
                                                      start. 
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>@jordan
                                                        carter: &quot;<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.33px">why
                                                          a noted
                                                          business
                                                          centred forum
                                                          is the place
                                                          to launch an
                                                          Internet
                                                          governance
                                                          initiative?&quot; -
                                                          a question to
                                                          be echoed
                                                          indeed.</span></div>
                                                      <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.33px"><br>
                                                        </span></div>
                                                      <div><font face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif">It
                                                          is a shame
                                                          after the
                                                          whole attempt
                                                          of NETMudial
                                                          to innovate in
                                                          a meeting
                                                          process,
                                                          seeking some
                                                          transparency, openness and
                                                          inclusion,
                                                          something like
                                                          this comes up
                                                          under the same
                                                          &quot;brand&quot;. Hello
                                                          Brazil?!</font></div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>@jeremy and
                                                        members of the
                                                        so called &quot;evil
                                                        cabal&quot;, if you
                                                        go, you have an
                                                        important role
                                                        to feed people
                                                        with the most
                                                        important asset:
                                                        information. I
                                                        bet we will be
                                                        always prompt
                                                        for feedback. <br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>hoping for
                                                        the best, though
                                                        looking at...
                                                        the worst?</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>regards</div>
                                                      <span><font color="#888888">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>joana</div>
                                                        </font></span>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                        -- <br>
                                                        -- <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Joana Varon
                                                        Ferraz<br>
                                                        @joana_varon<br>
                                                        PGP 0x016B8E73<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Thu, Aug 14,
                                                          2014 at 1:30
                                                          AM, Seth
                                                          Johnson<span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:seth.p.johnson@gmail.com" target="_blank">seth.p.johnson@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><span> </span>wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)">
More
                                                          that the IGF
                                                          phase wasn&#39;t
                                                          going to work.
                                                           IGF has
                                                          always been in<br>
                                                          a tough spot,
                                                          not so much
                                                          fumbling the
                                                          ball -- as if
                                                          that&#39;s
                                                          anything<br>
                                                          other than an
                                                          endemic
                                                          feature of any
                                                          organization
                                                          of a similar<br>
                                                          institutional
                                                          nature -- but
                                                          not empowered
                                                          and pining for
                                                          standing.<br>
                                                          But Netmundial
                                                          wasn&#39;t
                                                          executed well
                                                          in that regard
                                                          (they
                                                          announced<br>
                                                          sponsorship of
                                                          IGF, but they
                                                          also weren&#39;t
                                                          quite able to
                                                          make things<br>
                                                          stick), so
                                                          they need to
                                                          patch he
                                                          information
                                                          society
                                                          process up by
                                                          a<br>
                                                          more blunt
                                                          move that
                                                          steps past IGF
                                                          rather than
                                                          going through
                                                          a<br>
                                                          process of
                                                          engaging folks
                                                          in issues via
                                                          IGF as per
                                                          plan.  I think<br>
                                                          they&#39;re
                                                          figuring
                                                          they&#39;ll be
                                                          able to just
                                                          brazen it out.<br>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Wed, Aug
                                                          13, 2014 at
                                                          10:39 PM,
                                                          Jeremy Malcolm
                                                          &lt;<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>&gt;
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt; I think
                                                          it&#39;s more the
                                                          case that the
                                                          IGF has so
                                                          badly fumbled
                                                          the ball that<br>
                                                          &gt; it falls
                                                          to someone -
                                                          anyone - else
                                                          to pick it up.
                                                          But that is
                                                          not to<br>
                                                          &gt; discount
                                                          the valid
                                                          criticisms
                                                          that others
                                                          have expressed
                                                          and that I
                                                          agree<br>
                                                          &gt; with.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Disclaimer:
                                                          I&#39;m a member
                                                          of the evil
                                                          cabal.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; --<br>
                                                          &gt; Jeremy
                                                          Malcolm<br>
                                                          &gt; Senior
                                                          Global Policy
                                                          Analyst<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Electronic
                                                          Frontier
                                                          Foundation<br>
                                                          &gt;<span> </span><a href="https://eff.org/" target="_blank">https://eff.org</a><br>
                                                          &gt;<span> </span><a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a><br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Tel:<span> </span><a href="tel:415.436.9333%20ext%20161" value="+14154369333" target="_blank">415.436.9333 ext 161</a><br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; ::
                                                          Defending Your
                                                          Rights in the
                                                          Digital World
                                                          ::<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; On Aug
                                                          13, 2014, at
                                                          6:57 PM,
                                                          Jordan Carter
                                                          &lt;<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>&gt;
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Can
                                                          someone
                                                          explain why a
                                                          noted business
                                                          centred forum
                                                          is the place
                                                          to<br>
                                                          &gt; launch an
                                                          Internet
                                                          governance
                                                          initiative?<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; I
                                                          genuinely
                                                          don&#39;t
                                                          understand
                                                          that.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; I thought
                                                          the whole
                                                          lesson of
                                                          netmundial was
                                                          that genuine
                                                          multi
                                                          stakeholder<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          approaches
                                                          work well, not
                                                          that it was a
                                                          nice
                                                          experiment to
                                                          be ignored.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; It would
                                                          be helpful if
                                                          those who rule
                                                          us, as it
                                                          were, would
                                                          rapidly
                                                          disclose<br>
                                                          &gt; some
                                                          authoritative
                                                          information.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Jordan<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; On
                                                          Thursday, 14
                                                          August 2014,
                                                          Stephen
                                                          Farrell &lt;<a href="mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie" target="_blank">stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; Gotta
                                                          say... seems
                                                          like elitist
                                                          nonsense to me
                                                          having looked<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; at
                                                          the invite
                                                          list and other
                                                          docs. The
                                                          elitist part
                                                          should be<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          obvious. The
                                                          nonsense part
                                                          is due to
                                                           almost none
                                                          of the list<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; of
                                                          invitees being
                                                          known for
                                                          knowing about
                                                          the Internet.
                                                          It<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; seems
                                                          much more an
                                                          elite than an
                                                          Internet-savvy
                                                          list of folks<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; being
                                                          asked to form
                                                          a new cabal.
                                                          That said,
                                                          cabals aren&#39;t
                                                          all<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; bad,
                                                          and I&#39;ve no
                                                          reason to
                                                          think very
                                                          badly of this
                                                          particular<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          subset of the
                                                          elite and its
                                                          I guess just
                                                          more
                                                          meaningless
                                                          policy<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; stuff
                                                          so I don&#39;t
                                                          need to care
                                                          very much.<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; That
                                                          said, it seems
                                                          a pity for
                                                          this to be the
                                                          next step
                                                          after<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; the
                                                          Brazil gig
                                                          which seemed
                                                          relatively
                                                          open.<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; S.<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; On
                                                          14/08/14
                                                          02:36, William
                                                          Drake wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          Hi<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          I proposed
                                                          several times
                                                          to the 1NET Co
                                                          Com that 1NET
                                                          explore
                                                          serving as<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          a more open
                                                          multistakeholder
                                                          vehicle for
                                                          connecting
                                                          people to the
                                                          NETmundial<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          Initiative.
                                                           Several
                                                          members
                                                          expressed
                                                          support for
                                                          that, but
                                                          since how the<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          NMI will
                                                          evolve remains
                                                          very unclear
                                                          it’s hard to
                                                          know ex ante
                                                          how this<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          could work.  I
                                                          made the same
                                                          suggestion to
                                                          Fadi in
                                                          London, didn’t
                                                          get much<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          reaction.<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          As I
                                                          understand the
                                                          basic idea,
                                                          NMI will have
                                                          a six month
                                                          launch managed<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          by WEF but the
                                                          hope would be
                                                          that this
                                                          leads to
                                                          something
                                                          broader and
                                                          more<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          inclusive in a
                                                          second phase.
                                                           Not how I
                                                          would have
                                                          done it, but
                                                          that said I<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          wouldn’t
                                                          assume before
                                                          the fact that
                                                          the second
                                                          phase will not
                                                          come.  We<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          have to see
                                                          for starters
                                                          how the
                                                          conversation
                                                          goes 28 August
                                                          and what is<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          possible…<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          Bill<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          On Aug 13,
                                                          2014, at 10:00
                                                          PM, Avri Doria
                                                          &lt;<a href="mailto:avri@ACM.ORG" target="_blank">avri@ACM.ORG</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt; Just
                                                          wondering, is
                                                          this a proper
                                                          list for those
                                                          who have been
                                                          catching<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt; bits
                                                          and pieces of
                                                          the ICANN/WEF
                                                          &#39;NetMundial
                                                          Initiaitve&#39; to
                                                          be<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          discussed.<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt; I
                                                          think it might
                                                          be, and have
                                                          even suggested
                                                          it to others,
                                                          but figured<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt; I<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          better check
                                                          first.<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt; avri<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;
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                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;<span> </span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          &gt;&gt;<span> </span><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;
                                                          discuss
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                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<span> </span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<span> </span><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>


                                                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
                                                          discuss
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<span> </span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<span> </span><a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; --<br>
                                                          &gt; --<br>
                                                          &gt; Jordan
                                                          Carter<br>
                                                          &gt; Chief
                                                          Executive,
                                                          InternetNZ<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;<span> </span><a href="tel:%2B64-21-442-649" value="+6421442649" target="_blank">+64-21-442-649</a><span> </span>|<span> </span><a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><br>


                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Sent on
                                                          the run,
                                                          apologies for
                                                          brevity<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          &gt; discuss
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          &gt;<span> </span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
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                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;
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                                                          &gt; discuss
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                                                          &gt;<span> </span><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
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po box 29755, melville, 2109, south africa
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