<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Nigel Roberts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nigel@roberts.co.uk" target="_blank">nigel@roberts.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Patricio is, as I would expect, absolutely correct.<br>
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And it's very important to note the distinction between policy that
is either binding, or is taken to be so by the actors involved, and a
"news memo" which Jon dashed off when he was getting awkward letters
from a number of governments asking him why he "gave away the
countries TLDs" to private individuals and companies.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>(or, more generally, much of the output produced by the type of consensus standards-making which characterizes the type of stewardship context we've worked within for so long)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Seth</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div><br>
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<div>On 09/08/2014 05:53 PM, Patricio
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<div dir="ltr">Mike,
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<div>You are probably thinking of the sentence "The IANA takes
the desires of the government of the country very seriously".
That is not in RFC1591. It appeared later in ccTLD News Memo
#1.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Mike
Roberts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us" target="_blank">mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us</a>></span>
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<div>Did anyone think that right wing America Firsters
wouldn’t use as much FUD as they could muster to try
to derail the NTIA initiative? Check some of the
Congressional grand stand statements.
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<div>This mess of mistatement and innuendo is SOP.</div>
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<div>A “majority” of governments are authoritarian?
That’s a pretty big paintbrush.</div>
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<div>As Jon Postel said way back in 1591, governments do
matter. Multistakeholderism without a role for
governments isn’t going to work. ICANN is actually
trying to smoke out behind the scenes gorilla behavior
in the GAC by requiring recorded votes with a majority
needed for “advice.” Raising the Board threshold for
rejecting the advice is a nominal quid pro quo with
little effect.</div>
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<div>- Mike</div>
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<div>On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:49 AM, Miles Fidelman <<a href="mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net" target="_blank">mfidelman@meetinghouse.net</a>>
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<h1> The Internet Power Vacuum Worsens</h1>
<h2> The U.S. hasn't even abandoned its Web
protection yet, and authoritarians are making
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">The
Obama administration plan to give up
U.S. protection of the open Internet
won't take effect for a year, but
authoritarian governments are already
moving to grab control. President Obama
is learning it's as dangerous for
America to create a vacuum of power in
the digital world as in the real one.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">In
March the administration asked Icann,
the Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers, to suggest a plan for
overseeing the Internet after September
2015, when U.S. governance is scheduled
to end. The U.S. charged this group,
which maintains the root-zone file of
domain names and addresses, with somehow
finding mechanisms to prevent other
governments from undermining the
permissionless, free-speech Internet
built under U.S. oversight.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">Instead,
Icann set up a process to hand control
over to governments. Under the current
"multistakeholder" system, an advisory
group of governments has only as much
power as other stakeholders, such as Web
registries, website owners, free-speech
groups and other nonprofits. But in
August, Icann quietly proposed changing
its bylaws to rubber-stamp government
decisions unless two-thirds of the Icann
board objects. In turn, Iran has
proposed that the government group move
to majority voting from the current
consensus approach. That would enable
the world's majority of authoritarian
governments to rewire the Internet more
to their liking.</p>
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will this mean? Authoritarian
governments could for the first time
censor the Web globally, not just in
their own countries. Russia could get
Icann to withdraw Ukrainian sites. China
could engineer the world-wide removal of
sites supporting freedom for Hong Kong
or Tibet. Iran could censor its critics
in the U.S. Website operators could also
expect new global fees and regulations.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">Such
a change "would fundamentally transform
Icann away from being a 'bottom-up' and
'private sector-led' organization and
into a governmental regulatory agency,"
wrote Robin Gross, a former chairman of
the Icann group representing nonprofits,
on the CircleID blog. "Why Icann would
voluntarily choose to empower
non-democratic governments with an even
greater say over global Internet
policies as this bylaw change would do
is anyone's guess."</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">The
Internet Commerce Association, which
represents Web businesses, warns that
the proposal "would transform Icann into
a government-led organization," which is
"completely counter" to the U.S.
requirement that the Internet remain
free of government control.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">In
a speech in July, a U.S. Commerce
Departmentofficial played down the
danger. "The idea that governments could
enhance their influence within Icann by
changing its rules to allow for a
majority vote on policy issues reflects
a misunderstanding of the policymaking
process at Icann," said Assistant
Secretary Lawrence Strickling. Wrong.
Mr. Strickling and his administration
colleagues have misunderstood how
serious other governments are about
filling the vacuum of power with
repression.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">Icann
also upset all its major stakeholder
groups by ignoring their demand to make
it more accountable absent U.S.
oversight. Stakeholders had instructed
Icann to create an "independent
accountability mechanism that provides
meaningful review and adequate redress
for those harmed by Icann action or
inaction in contravention of an
agreed-upon compact with the community."
Instead, Icann announced that it would
oversee itself.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">A
dozen stakeholder groups quickly sent
Icann chief Fadi Chehade a letter
objecting. "How does Icann intend to
handle the inherent conflict of interest
with developing its own accountability
plan?" they asked. "Why didn't Icann
invite proposals from the community and
why wasn't the community involved in the
drafting of the staff plan?"</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">An
objection sent jointly by business and
nonprofit stakeholder groups to the
Icann board said: "This plan, imposed on
the community without transparency and
without the opportunity for public
comment, creates inconsistency,
disregards proper Icann procedure,
injects unfairness into the process and
defeats the purpose of the entire
accountability examination."</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">Philip
Corwin, a lawyer specializing in Icann
issues, calls pushback against the
organization "unprecedented." Last week,
Icann agreed to put off the new rules,
but only for a brief comment period.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">Much
of the blame for the splintering of the
multistakeholder system lies with Mr.
Obama's naïveté in putting Internet
governance up for grabs. He
underestimated the importance of
Washington's control in maintaining an
open Internet—and the desire among other
governments to close the Internet. And
there still is no plan to keep Icann
free from control by governments.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">Administration
officials pledged to Congress that the
U.S. would keep control over the
Internet if the alternative was to
empower other governments or if there
isn't full accountability for Icann.
Both red lines have been crossed.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.4em">If
Mr. Obama persists, Congress should
block his plan with a simple message:
The open Internet is too valuable to
surrender.</p>
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