<div dir="ltr"><div>Well... looks arguable vague to me James. Which 'generally acceptable Internet principles' do you refer to?<br><br>Whereas April's NETmundial.br referenced earlier had a clear process and clear outcome captured in a public document. <br></div><div><br>p.<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Seng <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james.seng@gmail.com" target="_blank">james.seng@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">I intent to modify the statement to:</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">"We, the undersigned</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">, sincerely invite the leaders
of the Chinese Internet Community to recognize the generally acceptable
Internet principles as a base upon which to build for the Internet in China."</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">Would that be okay?</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">-James Seng</span></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Pindar Wong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target="_blank">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you Dave.<br><br></div>For those of us in Hong Kong, your signature is especially meaningful.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>p.<br><br></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Dave Farber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net" target="_blank">dave@farber.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Ok I'll sign it</p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 16, 2014 8:21 PM, "Pindar Wong" <<a href="mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target="_blank">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>It would be really good if you could also sign it Dave. <br><br></div>May I suggest then to change the text from<br><br>'to take the principles of NETmundial and to build upon them for the<br><br>Chinese Internet.'<br><br>to:<br><br>'to take the principles of <a href="http://netmundial.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/NETmundial-Multistakeholder-Document.pdf" target="_blank">NETmundial.br of April 2014</a> and to build upon them for the<br><br>Chinese Internet.'<br><br></div>This would avoid the 'confusingly similar' ;) NETmundial Initiative (NMI).<br><br>As far as the later, I believe the ISOC BoT had this so say yesterday:-<br><br><a href="http://internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-netmundial-initiative" target="_blank">http://internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-netmundial-initiative</a><br><br></div>p.<br><br><div><br><br><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:29 AM, DAVID J. FARBER <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farber@gmail.com" target="_blank">farber@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><p dir="ltr">If you add the term original bazilian netmundir rather than the ambiguioius just netmundie, I would like to sign it. I want to distinguished from the current suggestions .</p><div><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Nov 15, 2014 10:18 AM, "Christopher Wilkinson" <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></span><div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">James:<div><br></div><div>You may add my name to the list of signatories:</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Christopher Wilkinson 秦基辅</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 14 Nov 2014, at 07:51, Pindar Wong <<a href="mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target="_blank">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Dear James, <br><br>Perhaps also consider that your recommendation be reworded as follows:-<br></div><br><font>"Specifically, we would like to highlight the following recommendations to:<br><br>Preserve Internet as an innovation environment based on open and distributed architecture;<br><br>Develop the Internet as an unified and unfragmented space based on end-to-end open Internet and adoption of IPv6;<br><br>Promote open standards made by rough consensus of the global technical community;<br><br>Uphold the security, stability and resilience of the Internet through strong cooperation among different stakeholders;'<br><br></font></div><div><font>Also perhaps this friendly amendment:-<br></font></div><div><font><br>'Support the evolving Internet governance ecosystem by building upon existing multi-stakeholder processes ensuring meaningful and accountable <b><i>participation</i></b>.'</font><br><br></div>m2c,<br><br>p.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:43 PM, James Seng <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james.seng@gmail.com" target="_blank">james.seng@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes, very good point. It should be Internet in China.<div><br><br>On Thursday, November 13, 2014, WUKnoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>With regards to para 3, I wonder whether making reference to the “Internet
in China” instead of the “Chinese Internet” would make the global approach of
the statement more clear.</div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:13px">Dear all,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:13px">A couple of us have prepared a
statement (as attached) to present at the World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen
next week.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:13px">Any suggestions to the
statements are welcome. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:13px">If you are willing to add your
name to the statement, please drop me an email.</div>
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