<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Noted. Will do on the final version.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Pindar Wong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target="_blank">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Noted with understanding James.<br><br>Perhaps consider adding a date and title of some sort, so that others may easily refer to it.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br><div><br>p.<br><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM, James Seng <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james.seng@gmail.com" target="_blank">james.seng@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I have send out an email with the updated statement in full. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For many of us here who have been involved in many ways, I think we understand the differences between "NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement" published in April 2014 and "NETmundial Initiatives by WEF". But for a causal reader (or even just a reader armed with Google), NETmundial is a loaded word right now that may cause confusion. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I rather we spend time to focus on the message we want to deliver and not get rope into the controversy revolving around NETmundial right now.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Of course, please send me your feedback and if most agree to put it back, I will do so. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">We have 48 hours to the event. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">-James Seng</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Anne-Marie Eklund-Löwinder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anne-marie.eklund-lowinder@iis.se" target="_blank">anne-marie.eklund-lowinder@iis.se</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Rubrik: [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen<br>
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<div>Well... looks arguable vague to me James. Which 'generally acceptable Internet principles' do you refer to?<br>
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Whereas April's NETmundial.br referenced earlier had a clear process and clear outcome captured in a public document.
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">"We, the undersigned</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">, sincerely invite the leaders of the Chinese Internet Community
to recognize the generally acceptable Internet principles as a base upon which to build for the Internet in China."</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria">Would that be okay?</span></div>
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For those of us in Hong Kong, your signature is especially meaningful.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div>It would be really good if you could also sign it Dave. <br>
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NETmundial.br of April 2014</a> and to build upon them for the<br>
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This would avoid the 'confusingly similar' ;) NETmundial Initiative (NMI).<br>
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<p dir="ltr">If you add the term original bazilian netmundir rather than the ambiguioius just netmundie, I would like to sign it. I want to distinguished from the current suggestions .</p>
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<div>On 14 Nov 2014, at 07:51, Pindar Wong <<a href="mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target="_blank">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Preserve Internet as an innovation environment based on open and distributed architecture;<br>
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Develop the Internet as an unified and unfragmented space based on end-to-end open Internet and adoption of IPv6;<br>
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Promote open standards made by rough consensus of the global technical community;<br>
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Uphold the security, stability and resilience of the Internet through strong cooperation among different stakeholders;'<br>
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'Support the evolving Internet governance ecosystem by building upon existing multi-stakeholder processes ensuring meaningful and accountable
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Yes, very good point. It should be Internet in China.
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On Thursday, November 13, 2014, WUKnoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>With regards to para 3, I wonder whether making reference to the “Internet in China” instead of the “Chinese Internet” would make the global approach of the statement more clear.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE:13px">A couple of us have prepared a statement (as attached) to present at the World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen next week.</div>
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