<div dir="ltr"><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">Mr.</span> <span class="">Harmurt</span> <span class="">hello,</span><br><br> <span class="">Your</span> <span class="">clarification</span> <span class="">edified</span> <span class="">me</span> <span class="">and allows me to</span> <span class="">make the connection between</span> <span class="">the</span> <span class="">NetMundial</span> <span class="">launched</span> <span class="">in April 2014</span> <span class="">and</span> <span class="">NetMundiale</span> <span class="">initiative.</span><br> <span class="">Without</span> <span class="">many comments</span><span>, I think it</span> <span class="">is necessary to</span> <span class="">be</span> <span class="">present in the</span> <span class="">NMI</span> <span class="">provided that there</span> <span class="">is more transparency</span> <span class="">in NMI functioning.<br><br></span></span><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-24 13:00 GMT+01:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:discuss-request@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss-request@1net.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send discuss mailing list submissions to<br>
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:52:01 -0200<br>
From: Hartmut Richard Glaser <<a href="mailto:glaser@cgi.br" target="_blank">glaser@cgi.br</a>><br>
To: Hartmut Glaser <<a href="mailto:glaser@cgi.br" target="_blank">glaser@cgi.br</a>><br>
Subject: [discuss] NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br<br>
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To all of you directly and indirectly involved with the lively debate<br>
that has been observed within the Internet governance circles<br>
surrounding the NETmundial Initiative (NMI), would like to clarify the<br>
following:<br>
<br>
1)There are two main reasons for CGI.br to embark on the NETmundial<br>
Initiative.<br>
<br>
a) CGI.br is moved by a strong, crystal-clear and well known commitment<br>
to the preservation, the promotion and the implementation of the<br>
principles and the roadmap that were adopted in S?o Paulo during the<br>
Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance -<br>
NETmundial. As long as CGI.br is involved in any activity, process or<br>
institution related to the global governance of the Internet, there will<br>
be a group of 21 board members representatives of the broader Internet<br>
community in Brazil, assisted by a deeply committed Secretariat, working<br>
for the promotion of the achievements of the NETmundial meeting earlier<br>
this year.Instead of watching from a distant perspective the different<br>
processes and environments that comprise the complex distributed IG<br>
ecosystem, CGI.br members have been actively engaged with a myriad of<br>
other stakeholders and the community as a whole in the different spaces<br>
within which Internet governance is dealt with. CGI.br is committed to<br>
raise a voice whenever there can by any unjustified reversion on the<br>
thresholds set by NETmundial for Internet governance, namely:<br>
collaboration, openness, transparency, and multistakeholderism by default.<br>
<br>
b) Brazil is to host the 2015 IGF. CGI.br is closely working with the<br>
Brazilian government in order to assure that the 10th edition of the IGF<br>
yields all the results that were normatively set by the community in<br>
2014 in different occasions: the renewal of its mandate in the UNGA<br>
later this year; the strengthening of its role as the focal point for<br>
the community; the assurance of funding sources, and the harmonization<br>
of activities of the IGF with the different initiatives that are<br>
sprouting (nationally, regionally, and globally) since the Community<br>
issued the NETmundial Statement.<br>
<br>
2) From its inception, CGI.br has been willing to dialogue and of work<br>
together with every single member of the Community who is willing to<br>
promote, reflect upon, strengthen, and enhance multistakeholderism. The<br>
NMI is one among those efforts and can contribute to those goals by<br>
publicizing ideas and connecting people from all over the world using a<br>
single Web platform. Anything additional to the development and the<br>
maintenance of the platform shall be a result of the Initiative after it<br>
is set up. Bearing that in mind, on behalf of all of the members of the<br>
Board of CGI.br, we would like to invite all stakeholders to join the<br>
effort of building NMI based on the spirit and the aspirations of the<br>
community in a collaborative manner.<br>
<br>
3) The NETmundial Initiative is in its formation. The whole<br>
institutionalization of NMI shall be community-driven. That is why the<br>
Transitional Council, as soon as it got a request from the Civil Society<br>
Coordination Group (CSCG), accepted to work together with the CSCG to<br>
come up with a solution for defining Civil Society names for the NMI<br>
Council by consensus and fully respecting the indications of Civil<br>
Society. It is important to say that CGI.br is pretty confident that if<br>
any other group of stakeholders approach the Transition Council with<br>
similar solutions to strengthen the process, the Council will be<br>
willingly open to recognize and implement them as a way of putting the<br>
community at the center of the process of shaping the ulterior<br>
composition of the NMI Council.<br>
<br>
Finally, let us reaffirm that CGI.br would never agree with top-down,<br>
closed decision-making processes that could possibly undermine its<br>
legitimacy as a true bottom-up, multistakeholder body. It is up for the<br>
community to transform NMI into something that is concrete and useful<br>
for the advancement of IG in full respects of the principles enshrined<br>
in the NETmundial declaration.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Virg?lio Almeida<br>
Coordinator of the Board of the CGI.br - Representative nominated by the<br>
Federal Government<br>
<br>
Demi Getschko<br>
Member of the Board of CGI.br, nominated as Internet Expert<br>
<br>
Carlos A. Afonso<br>
Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the Third Sector<br>
<br>
Fl?vio Wagner<br>
Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the scientific and<br>
technological community and Selected member for the MAG/IGF 2015<br>
<br>
Eduardo Parajo<br>
Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the business sector -<br>
Internet access and content providers<br>
<br>
Hartmut Glaser<br>
Executive Secretary of the Board of the CGI.br<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 04:39:50 -0500<br>
From: joseph alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [discuss] NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br<br>
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Hartmut and colleagues:<br>
<br>
Thank you for your note. As someone who participated in the actual Net<br>
Mundial event, including the planning and drafting, there is no question<br>
that Brazil understands what multistakeholder means and that it must be<br>
bottom up.<br>
<br>
Net Mundial faced some growing pains early on including lack of timely<br>
information and questions of transparency in mission, participation and<br>
process which created some concerns. Over time while some process issues<br>
were still at issue (how to determine when consensus was reached and how<br>
to assure all viewpoints were fairly factored in drafting), the<br>
consultative process was seen to be both real and effective across<br>
stakeholder groups. The actual meeting and final drafting process<br>
resulted in documents that were able to gain broad support. I agree<br>
that Net Mundial was a successful event that exceeded its expectations<br>
at the outset of the process in many ways because of the willingness and<br>
stamina of the Brazilian organizing team to interact frankly, directly<br>
and consistently across all stakeholder groups.<br>
<br>
If we contrast the Net Mundial planning and organization with NMI, the<br>
comparison to date is much less flattering. The initial launch of NMI<br>
may have been seen to be plagued by some of the same issues as the<br>
initial launch of Net Mundial: lack of information, transparency and<br>
process at the outset; though I would argue, that these problems in NMI<br>
were more acute and that there was much less inclusion in all phases of<br>
its planning. Where Net Mundial faced criticism on these issues as it<br>
developed, it took those comments on board and worked with stakeholders<br>
to develop appropriate solutions. NMI at its launch was greeted with<br>
substantial criticism and suspicion. Types of outcomes and planning had<br>
been decided in advance with no meaningful consultation among<br>
stakeholders. As I have noted in previous posts, listing company CEOs<br>
on an invitation does not mean there had been meaningful consultation<br>
with business stakeholders. After the less than resounding reception<br>
for NMI there was a statement that gave all of us hope. Everything was<br>
back on the table and NMI would engage in an inclusive bottom up period<br>
of consultation for 6 months in order to reconsider direction and<br>
process and to provide the inclusion and transparency that had been lacking.<br>
<br>
At the IGF, envoys of NMI did speak to many stakeholders. There was<br>
almost a daily conceptual reinvention of NMI, which was far from helpful<br>
as NMI meant whatever the ideas were of last conversation someone had<br>
about it. After the IGF, a period of radio silence ensued. At that<br>
point Brazil seems to have become more directly involved in the<br>
process. While the tone of the ensuing conceptual model of NMI is now<br>
more inclusive, the process has remained opaque at best. The six months<br>
of bottom up multistakeholder consultation has not occurred in any<br>
meaningful fashion. The objectives of NMI have been set without the<br>
benefit of true multistakeholder consultation, and to the extent input<br>
was taken on board it was in a black box process where no one can<br>
understand how or why decisions are taken. What was the breadth of<br>
options considered; why were these chosen and how? Some objectives to<br>
hearken back to the original launch objectives creating questions of<br>
whether any input was really taken on board. The current organization<br>
and articulation of the process does not really provide anywhere near<br>
enough information on how the breadth of participation and inclusion<br>
will be accommodated. While the new FAQ and your e-mail go part ways to<br>
helping start clarifications, NMI needs to understand that it must<br>
resolve a substantial trust deficit. To date it has not done so. It<br>
also has not sufficiently clarified how it will be complementary to and<br>
supportive of the IGF as the forum that enables true stakeholder<br>
discussion that helps us progress towards better understanding and<br>
consensus and assemble practical solutions like compendia of best<br>
practices and other tools of capacity building...<br>
<br>
I appreciate the work all of you did to help make Net Mundial a true<br>
multistakeholder event, as well as the heartfelt sentiment of your<br>
letter, but NMI has significant work left to do before it can regain the<br>
trust of the communities that it hopes to include.<br>
<br>
In light of the continuing issues and questions that are being raised by<br>
a number of communities, including the business community, I question<br>
whether an early December organizational deadline is advisable or feasible.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/22/2014 1:52 PM, Hartmut Richard Glaser wrote:<br>
><br>
> To all of you directly and indirectly involved with the lively debate<br>
> that has been observed within the Internet governance circles<br>
> surrounding the NETmundial Initiative (NMI), would like to clarify the<br>
> following:<br>
><br>
> 1)There are two main reasons for CGI.br to embark on the NETmundial<br>
> Initiative.<br>
><br>
> a) CGI.br is moved by a strong, crystal-clear and well known<br>
> commitment to the preservation, the promotion and the implementation<br>
> of the principles and the roadmap that were adopted in S?o Paulo<br>
> during the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet<br>
> Governance - NETmundial. As long as CGI.br is involved in any<br>
> activity, process or institution related to the global governance of<br>
> the Internet, there will be a group of 21 board members<br>
> representatives of the broader Internet community in Brazil, assisted<br>
> by a deeply committed Secretariat, working for the promotion of the<br>
> achievements of the NETmundial meeting earlier this year.Instead of<br>
> watching from a distant perspective the different processes and<br>
> environments that comprise the complex distributed IG ecosystem,<br>
> CGI.br members have been actively engaged with a myriad of other<br>
> stakeholders and the community as a whole in the different spaces<br>
> within which Internet governance is dealt with. CGI.br is committed to<br>
> raise a voice whenever there can by any unjustified reversion on the<br>
> thresholds set by NETmundial for Internet governance, namely:<br>
> collaboration, openness, transparency, and multistakeholderism by<br>
> default.<br>
><br>
> b) Brazil is to host the 2015 IGF. CGI.br is closely working with the<br>
> Brazilian government in order to assure that the 10th edition of the<br>
> IGF yields all the results that were normatively set by the community<br>
> in 2014 in different occasions: the renewal of its mandate in the UNGA<br>
> later this year; the strengthening of its role as the focal point for<br>
> the community; the assurance of funding sources, and the harmonization<br>
> of activities of the IGF with the different initiatives that are<br>
> sprouting (nationally, regionally, and globally) since the Community<br>
> issued the NETmundial Statement.<br>
><br>
> 2) From its inception, CGI.br has been willing to dialogue and of work<br>
> together with every single member of the Community who is willing to<br>
> promote, reflect upon, strengthen, and enhance multistakeholderism.<br>
> The NMI is one among those efforts and can contribute to those goals<br>
> by publicizing ideas and connecting people from all over the world<br>
> using a single Web platform. Anything additional to the development<br>
> and the maintenance of the platform shall be a result of the<br>
> Initiative after it is set up. Bearing that in mind, on behalf of all<br>
> of the members of the Board of CGI.br, we would like to invite all<br>
> stakeholders to join the effort of building NMI based on the spirit<br>
> and the aspirations of the community in a collaborative manner.<br>
><br>
> 3) The NETmundial Initiative is in its formation. The whole<br>
> institutionalization of NMI shall be community-driven. That is why the<br>
> Transitional Council, as soon as it got a request from the Civil<br>
> Society Coordination Group (CSCG), accepted to work together with the<br>
> CSCG to come up with a solution for defining Civil Society names for<br>
> the NMI Council by consensus and fully respecting the indications of<br>
> Civil Society. It is important to say that CGI.br is pretty confident<br>
> that if any other group of stakeholders approach the Transition<br>
> Council with similar solutions to strengthen the process, the Council<br>
> will be willingly open to recognize and implement them as a way of<br>
> putting the community at the center of the process of shaping the<br>
> ulterior composition of the NMI Council.<br>
><br>
> Finally, let us reaffirm that CGI.br would never agree with top-down,<br>
> closed decision-making processes that could possibly undermine its<br>
> legitimacy as a true bottom-up, multistakeholder body. It is up for<br>
> the community to transform NMI into something that is concrete and<br>
> useful for the advancement of IG in full respects of the principles<br>
> enshrined in the NETmundial declaration.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Virg?lio Almeida<br>
> Coordinator of the Board of the CGI.br - Representative nominated by<br>
> the Federal Government<br>
><br>
> Demi Getschko<br>
> Member of the Board of CGI.br, nominated as Internet Expert<br>
><br>
> Carlos A. Afonso<br>
> Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the Third Sector<br>
><br>
> Fl?vio Wagner<br>
> Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the scientific and<br>
> technological community and Selected member for the MAG/IGF 2015<br>
><br>
> Eduardo Parajo<br>
> Member of the Board of CGI.br, representative of the business sector -<br>
> Internet access and content providers<br>
><br>
> Hartmut Glaser<br>
> Executive Secretary of the Board of the CGI.br<br>
><br>
><br>
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