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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 31 January 2015 04:21 PM,
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 25 January 2015 11:31 PM,
Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
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There have been a lot of criticisms of NMI based on its lack of
transparency and top down decsion making. It appears to be
trying to fix itself, but does not seem to having great success
at this point. How will the ISF distinguish itself in this
respect.<br>
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Avri<br>
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ISF (Internet Social Forum) submits to WSF </blockquote>
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Should have made clear -- WSF is the World Social Forum ...<br>
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and processes - which one must say are quite demanding inter alia
with regard to openness and transparency, since right now I am
responding to a question on these points. At the same time, as has
happened with regard to many WSF linked initiatives, that may
produce document outcomes etc, like the intended People's Internet
Manifesto, the ISF process would also go beyond what is 'WSF
proper' which is clearly not an outcome producing forum. How this
will be done would, I understand, be figured out collectively by
the actors who join in this initiative, but obviously it cannot do
anything that goes against WSF thinking and its extreme accent on
openness and transparency. ISF would build on similar initiatives
that have earlier formed under the umbrella of the WSF - of which
there happen to be a considerable number. We are already in touch
with a number of such groups/ initiatives. <br>
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As to the key operative phrase above, about 'the actors who join
in the initiative' , ISF will be working under WSF rules and
criteria, which are listed on the WSF 2015 website on the
unambiguously titled page '<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://fsm2015.org/en/criteria-participation">criteria of
participation</a>'. . As you will see, one of the criterion is
adherence to the original <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/main.php?id_menu=4&cd_language=2">Charter
of Principles</a> of the WSF. <br>
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Now, if some people consider these criteria too exclusionary well
that is what the WSF is, and ISF is working under the WSF umbrella
. It is possible, just to give an example and no offence intended,
that some anti abortionists may find some women's rights groups
too exclusionary, but that is how it is. In my experiences any
serious political work requires some boundary laying. <br>
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Also, I do hope the ISF takes more pains than the NMI has in
terms of appearing to challenge the existence of the IGF. <br>
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I responded on this to Wolfgang (whose response BTW I still
await). Unlike NMI, the ISF has no claim to be multistakeholder.
It is out-and-out a civil society initiative (Please see WSF
criteria above) . In the circumstances, I do not understand what
conflict it presents with the IGF, In fact I asked Wolfgang and I
ask you Avri, why and how does a civil society initiative present
questions about 'challenge to the existence of the IGF'?<br>
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And again, we welcome all progressive groups and individuals who
subscribe to the WSF thinking to join us in the ISF initiative.
And this is a public pledge that the group working on this
initiative will always holds itself highly accountable to the
public, and will always respond to questions that are posed to the
group.<br>
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If this response is not found satisfactory with respect to the
original question, please do not hesitate to ask again or if
needed re-frame the question or get more specific. If we do not
have an answer right now, that too we will tell you. <br>
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parminder <br>
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Disclaimer: Above are just my views about what the ISF should and
is likely to , and there is still no definitive articulation of
the issues and processes discussed above by the collectivity
behind the ISF initiative.<br>
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