<div dir="auto">+1 for archiving all the communications went on this list as part of the Internet Governance history.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">+1 to repurpose this list, maybe to work on documenting the value added perspectives as on going effort, we all work for the future but rarely we find a one place that compiles and collects historical facts on an ongoing basis. This might attract people who believe in the saying " to <span style="text-indent: -30px;">know your future you must know your past"</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 3, 2017 9:33 AM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Dear Ian,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Netmundial produced a Roadmap that does not need a new confenrence. It just needs to be read and acted upon. The copyright is not held by the Brazilian government either. In fact is not held by any Government and/or the World Economic Forum (anymore)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Particularly today, when many members of Icann are looking for an appropriate framework for their interest and efforts beyond ICANNs narrow remit, a Sunday reading of the suscint NetMundial document could be a most useful place to look for new fresh ideas of cooperation as far away from the UN and it's member Governments as possible, assuming we can forgive and forget about any old parenthood claims and missguided efforts to coopt the NetMundial effort.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my view it is still one of the best, most efficiently produced bottom-up multistakeholder IG policy document I have come across.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Maybe as Marylin just said, moving it to a new second level domain could be a very a ver worthwhile exercise before biting it as Olivier suggested.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ<br>Apartado 1571-1000<br>San José COSTA RICA</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 2, 2017 23:41, "Ian Peter" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Thanks Seun for raising this possibility. Unfortunately I have to report
that the revised Netmundial Initiative is now dormant, for a number of reasons;
one of which was a change of government in Brazil which wanted to distance
itself from any achievements of the previous government; but there were many
other reasons as well. And although some of us think a second Netmundial
Conference would be beneficial, I don’t know of any initiative to get this
underway.</div>
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<div>But to also look at Olivier’s question: if this list is to be disbanded, I
do hope it is archived, because I think it does have some unique historical
significance. There are not many global statements that deal with the range of
issues confronting the Internet – and this one is the only one I know of which
was developed and adopted in a bottom-up multistakeholder fashion. So I think
what went on here was unique and should not be lost from the historical
record.</div>
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<div>As regards any future; well, I must admit to a great deal of frustration
personally at the way some of the issues we discussed at Netmundial have evolved
since then. Personal data protection has definitely got a lot worse, both from a
surveillance point of view and also as regards use of personal data for
commercial purposes. And anyone trying to address these issues,and particularly
their transboundary dimensions, seems confronted by a very cosy relationship
between large internet corporations and a few key large governments which seems
to go along the lines of “give us easy access to your data for surveillance
purposes, and we won’t regulate you”. Win-win for them, the rest of us are I
believe losing some fundamental rights to privacy and freedom of
expression.</div>
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<div>Some similar issues arise when we get to discuss cybersecurity and
cyberwarfare, to raise a couple of other issues. These are not being addressed
in a sensible manner, and I believe cannot be addressed effectively without the
sort of comprehensive multistakeholder co-operation we saw at Netmundial.</div>
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<div>So if this list fades, I hope some initiative gets underway to address
these issues and looks at cross-stakeholder discussion on emerging issues in a
world where nation state jurisdiction and the power of global internet
corporations are on a collision course where nobody wins. I have just mentioned
a few issues above, there are many more where I believe some concerted action
and co-operation would be beneficial.</div>
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<div>Ian Peter</div>
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<div>PS Interested to know if anyone here has been stopped at US borders and
denied entry until they hand over their Facebook password? I hear reports of
this happening, and certainly an application for US visa includes a
(non-compulsory) question where you nominate the details of your Facebook and
Twitter accounts. Practices like this are awful and should never become
widespread. </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">Seun
Ojedeji</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:45 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="marilynscade@hotmail.com">Marilyn Cade</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="discuss@1net.org">discuss</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] 💰I think I've found it!</div></div></div>
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<div>Hello Marilyn, all
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<div>You raised an important question and my response will be... "perhaps but
what will that be"?</div>
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<div>We had this discussion sometime last year and Ian made a few points[1] one
of them relating to a NetMundia in the making and I wonder if that is still in
the pipeline? Perhaps this list can come alive again.<br><br>Regards</div>
<div>1. <a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-April/005201.html" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipe<wbr>rmail/discuss/2016-April/00520<wbr>1.html</a><br>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse
brevity and typos</div></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 2, 2017 11:10 PM, "Marilyn Cade"
<<a>marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p>Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again? </p>
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<a>discuss-bounces@1net.org</a> <<a>discuss-bounces@1net.org</a>> on behalf of Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond <<a>ocl@gih.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter H.
Hellmonds<br><b>Cc:</b> discuss<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] 💰I think
I've found it!</font>
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<div>Dear Peter,<br><br>As with any retirement, I wonder about two
questions:<br><br>1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of
Internet history?<br>2. is the <a href="http://1net.org" target="_blank">1net.org</a> domain & web site going to be archived too,
beyond <a href="http://archive.org" target="_blank">archive.org</a>
?<br><br>Warmest regards,<br><br>Olivier<br><br>
<div class="m_-7183649757446909205m_-3651870851890432105m_-2109403967165976766moz-cite-prefix">On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H.
Hellmonds wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite">Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other
than faked mails with spam where all of us know they would never ever come
from Patrik there seems to be no relevant traffic left here on the list.
Unless some real human being tells me there is a value to remain on this
list, I’ll be out in a few days.
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<div>Cheers </div>
<div>Peter<br><br>
<div id="m_-7183649757446909205m_-3651870851890432105m_-2109403967165976766AppleMailSignature"><span>Peter H.
Hellmonds</span>
<div><<a>peter.hellmonds@hellmonds.eu</a>></div>
<div><span><a href="tel:+49%20160%203602852" value="+491603602852" target="_blank">+49 160 360 2852</a></span></div></div>
<div><br>On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <<a>paf@frobbit.se</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yo! </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please look into the products I've just
found, I think that's what you were looking for. Take a look (phishing link
removed)</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<—
dead giveaway that this is a fake mail!!)</span></p></div>
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