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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Good afternoon <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Great detective work! I remember this list fondly; was a real mixture of interesting issues and complete rubbish (as Greg has noted). I would be happy to contribute to a non-aligned list but on otherwise no great loss if dies; though should indeed be archived. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nigel <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><discuss-bounces@1net.org> on behalf of Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com><br><b>Date: </b>Sunday, 3 September 2017 at 11:13<br><b>To: </b>Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com><br><b>Cc: </b>discuss <discuss@1net.org><br><b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: [discuss] </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Apple Color Emoji";color:black'>💰</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I think I've found it!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Marilyn,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I see that you are on the 1net Coordination Committee at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.1net.org_coordination-2Dcommittee&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=aqLUFEDodLJPhnbRML_KAGTM9YnPEgE_h0P7qmHSiGQ&s=CLbStEe8fX2llUX2tX3qsUP3K8WSqybSD9GhnwkBmTk&e=">http://www.1net.org/coordination-committee[1net.org]</a>. Aside from this email list, is 1net currently active in any fashion? It seems to me that if it is, this list should follow the lead of 1net. And if it isn't, the same logic applies....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On the other hand, an internet policy mail list that is untethered to any active organization (I* or otherwise) and for which no membership is required could have value, -precisely for that independence. But it would still need a <i>raison d'etre</i> beyond just that characteristic to be meaningful. It would need traffic, which in turn means that a purpose beyond that of any other list would need to be found.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I will say that when this list was active, it was a great forum/sandbox/agora for exchanging and honing ideas, and the occasional snark-fest. But perhaps it was the surrounding activity that made it viable. Like an old World's Fair site, if the structures cease to be active, can't be repurposed and don't merit preservation for aesthetic value, they end up being torn down.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Marilyn Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div id="m_-5049048292353444020divtagdefaultwrapper"><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Or, should we repurpose this list? And make it meaningful again? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="m_-5049048292353444020divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a> <<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a>> on behalf of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter H. Hellmonds<br><b>Cc:</b> discuss<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] </span><span style='font-family:"Apple Color Emoji";color:black'>💰</span><span style='color:black'>I think I've found it!</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Dear Peter,<br><br>As with any retirement, I wonder about two questions:<br><br>1. should this mailing list be archived? Is it a piece of Internet history?<br>2. is the <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__1net.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=aqLUFEDodLJPhnbRML_KAGTM9YnPEgE_h0P7qmHSiGQ&s=aayk14fKAGAJpg8v9Wu_n5s3XrW1ZzI1aHkWK8M2cVM&e=" target="_blank">1net.org[1net.org]</a> domain & web site going to be archived too, beyond <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__archive.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=aqLUFEDodLJPhnbRML_KAGTM9YnPEgE_h0P7qmHSiGQ&s=kHoleokmCS-p6ftqFL_-1iLacReWfG3MsuciajPMQEE&e=" target="_blank">archive.org[archive.org]</a> ?<br><br>Warmest regards,<br><br>Olivier<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On 02/09/2017 19:26, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Looks like it’s time to give this list a rest. Other than faked mails with spam where all of us know they would never ever come from Patrik there seems to be no relevant traffic left here on the list. Unless some real human being tells me there is a value to remain on this list, I’ll be out in a few days. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Cheers <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="m_-5049048292353444020AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Peter H. Hellmonds <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><<a href="mailto:peter.hellmonds@hellmonds.eu" target="_blank">peter.hellmonds@hellmonds.eu</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a href="tel:+49%20160%203602852" target="_blank">+49 160 360 2852</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>On Aug 31, 2017, at 02:19, Harvey Moses <<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Yo! </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Please look into the products I've just found, I think that's what you were looking for. Take a look (phishing link removed)</span><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Yours sincerely, Harvey Moses (<— dead giveaway that this is a fake mail!!)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss@1net.org</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__1net-2Dmail.1net.org_mailman_listinfo_discuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=aqLUFEDodLJPhnbRML_KAGTM9YnPEgE_h0P7qmHSiGQ&s=TKcbp1g7WSbsiIXs7RTGtUHO2fS3yFsXhq1YaFcc5lQ&e=" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss[1net-mail.1net.org]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank">discuss@1net.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__1net-2Dmail.1net.org_mailman_listinfo_discuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=aqLUFEDodLJPhnbRML_KAGTM9YnPEgE_h0P7qmHSiGQ&s=TKcbp1g7WSbsiIXs7RTGtUHO2fS3yFsXhq1YaFcc5lQ&e=" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss[1net-mail.1net.org]</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__1net-2Dmail.1net.org_mailman_listinfo_discuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=aqLUFEDodLJPhnbRML_KAGTM9YnPEgE_h0P7qmHSiGQ&s=TKcbp1g7WSbsiIXs7RTGtUHO2fS3yFsXhq1YaFcc5lQ&e=" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss[1net-mail.1net.org]</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>