<div dir="auto">I certainly take abrís comments serioisly, as opposed to the previous one last April 1st...:/<div dir="auto">We have a place<div dir="auto">We have a date or two</div><div dir="auto">I suggest to take a look at the statement again and I have particular interest in the Road Ahead section.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ<br>Apartado 1571-1000<br>San José COSTA RICA</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Apr 28, 2018, 07:52 avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Perhaps year 4 is a good year for an IGF workshop or pre-event on<br>
Netmundial 4 years later. And if there is interest, that could be the<br>
starting point for a Netmundial at 5 years event.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<br>
On 27-Apr-18 16:57, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> wrote:<br>
> Well, it would be great to have something. I would love to see a<br>
> Netmundial +5 event: I confess to not being over-excited about just<br>
> having a sub theme or a workshop at IGF. But what can we do realistically?<br>
><br>
> We also seem to have lost the <a href="http://cgi.br" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">cgi.br</a> example of how to run things<br>
> nationally with the current government in Brazil?<br>
><br>
> Ian<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ------ Original Message ------<br>
> From: "Nigel Hickson" <<a href="mailto:nigel.hickson@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nigel.hickson@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nigel.hickson@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nigel.hickson@icann.org</a>>><br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>>>;<br>
> "<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>>>; "<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> Cc: "<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>>><br>
> Sent: 27/04/2018 9:35:05 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [discuss] [Ext] Antw: Re: We have had four years since<br>
> the Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse<br>
><br>
>> Good evening<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> I am glad we are discussing this; thanks Ian. Agree with Wolfgang,<br>
>> IGF 2019 would be an ideal opportunity to both take stock of what has<br>
>> been achieved since NETMundial and to look forward. This could be a<br>
>> real focus of the Event; should the MAG buy into it. It could also<br>
>> be a real opportunity to show (perhaps through an updating of<br>
>> principles) that IGF can deliver positive outcomes;<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Nigel <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> *From: *<<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a>>><br>
>> on behalf of Wolfgang Kleinwächter<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>>><br>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 26 April 2018 at 22:08<br>
>> *To: *"<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>>"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>>>,<br>
>> "<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>>" <<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> *Cc: *"<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>>" <<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>>><br>
>> *Subject: *[Ext] [discuss] Antw: Re: We have had four years since the<br>
>> Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> I did propose already three years ago to start planning for a<br>
>> NetMundial+5. The IGF 2019 is hosted by Germany. The dates or<br>
>> November 2019, the venue is Berlin. Shouldn´t we start a bottom up<br>
>> process for a review of the Principles and the Roadmap?<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Wolfgang<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> >>> Nicolas Fiumarelli <<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>>> 26.04.18 19.34 Uhr >>><br>
>><br>
>> Hello everyone. Nicolas Fiumarelli from Youth IGF Uruguay.<br>
>><br>
>> Like Ian, I think the fact that 4 years have passed from this<br>
>> activity makes me reflect and think, since then there has been no<br>
>> activity that has a multistakeholder mechanism as strong as it was<br>
>> when the call for comments on the statement happened. If there is any<br>
>> way to rescue that technology, which allowed comments on the<br>
>> paragraphs online. I think it was a very good moment, in fact I can<br>
>> say with certainty that that was the boom of the technology applied<br>
>> to multistakeholder modeling for creating agreements between hundreds<br>
>> of interested parties .. And as Ian said, I do not like the idea of<br>
>> waiting for things to be in resolved nation states acting<br>
>> unilaterally when we already have experience of these digital and<br>
>> dynamic multistakeholder ways of resolving things. My advice is to<br>
>> return to these practices where technology takes a particular role in<br>
>> making decisions or "agreements." I repeat, I have not seen an<br>
>> activity as transparent and open as it was the setting of that<br>
>> statement in NETMundial.<br>
>><br>
>> Nico Fiumarelli.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> 2018-04-25 20:16 GMT-03:00 Nnenna Nwakanma <<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
>><br>
>> I am interested in this conversation<br>
>><br>
>> Nnenna<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:45 PM, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Just noticed that we have reached 4 years since this<br>
>> statement - and reading it again, it still has a lot of valid<br>
>> things to say.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://netmundial.br/netmundial-multistakeholder-statement/%5Bnetmundial.br%5D" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://netmundial.br/netmundial-multistakeholder-statement/[netmundial.br]</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netmundial.br_netmundial-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dstatement_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&s=eA8vxviM60M0c07_k2tPW9twuz8h8eT-fMC0vjQIdzg&e=" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netmundial.br_netmundial-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dstatement_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&s=eA8vxviM60M0c07_k2tPW9twuz8h8eT-fMC0vjQIdzg&e=</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Sadly, however, there seems to be no current initiative or<br>
>> any on the horizon capable of addressing the global problems<br>
>> raised then, which are getting worse and taking on new<br>
>> dimensions.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Do we just give up? Or just rely on nation states acting<br>
>> unilaterally to somehow resolve these problems when<br>
>> unilateral action is not sufficient and in some cases it<br>
>> isn't in their perceived interests to take any action whatsoever?<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Ian Peter<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> discuss mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>><br>
>> <a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss%5B1net-mail.1net.org%5D" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss[1net-mail.1net.org]</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__1net-2Dmail.1net.org_mailman_listinfo_discuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&s=nKhvJd92txWgtxN2-Bkku-rJj6s6Rua26KMJiYGv4kQ&e=" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__1net-2Dmail.1net.org_mailman_listinfo_discuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&s=nKhvJd92txWgtxN2-Bkku-rJj6s6Rua26KMJiYGv4kQ&e=</a>><br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> discuss mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>><br>
>> <a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss%5B1net-mail.1net.org%5D" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss[1net-mail.1net.org]</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__1net-2Dmail.1net.org_mailman_listinfo_discuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&s=nKhvJd92txWgtxN2-Bkku-rJj6s6Rua26KMJiYGv4kQ&e=" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__1net-2Dmail.1net.org_mailman_listinfo_discuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&s=nKhvJd92txWgtxN2-Bkku-rJj6s6Rua26KMJiYGv4kQ&e=</a>><br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> discuss mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
<a href="http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a></blockquote></div>