<div dir="auto">I certainly take abrís comments serioisly, as opposed  to the previous one last April 1st...:/<div dir="auto">We have a place<div dir="auto">We have a date or two</div><div dir="auto">I suggest to take a look at the statement again and I have particular interest in the Road Ahead section.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ<br>Apartado 1571-1000<br>San José COSTA RICA</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Apr 28, 2018, 07:52 avri doria &lt;<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Perhaps year 4 is a good year for an IGF workshop or pre-event on<br>
Netmundial 4 years later.  And if there is interest, that could be the<br>
starting point for a Netmundial at 5 years event.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<br>
On 27-Apr-18 16:57, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; Well, it would be great to have something. I would love to see a<br>
&gt; Netmundial +5 event: I confess to not being over-excited about just<br>
&gt; having a sub theme or a workshop at IGF. But what can we do realistically?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; We also seem to have lost the <a href="http://cgi.br" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">cgi.br</a> example of how to run things<br>
&gt; nationally with the current government in Brazil?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Ian<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ------ Original Message ------<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Nigel Hickson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nigel.hickson@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nigel.hickson@icann.org</a><br>
&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nigel.hickson@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nigel.hickson@icann.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; To: &quot;<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>&quot;<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a><br>
&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>&gt;&gt;;<br>
&gt; &quot;<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;; &quot;<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>&quot;<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Sent: 27/04/2018 9:35:05 AM<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [discuss] [Ext] Antw: Re: We have had four years since<br>
&gt; the Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Good evening<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I am glad we are discussing this; thanks Ian.  Agree with Wolfgang,<br>
&gt;&gt; IGF 2019 would be an ideal opportunity to both take stock of what has<br>
&gt;&gt; been achieved since NETMundial and to look forward.  This could be a<br>
&gt;&gt; real focus of the Event; should the MAG buy into it.  It could also<br>
&gt;&gt; be a real opportunity to show (perhaps through an updating of<br>
&gt;&gt; principles) that IGF can deliver positive outcomes;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Best<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Nigel   <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; *From: *&lt;<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; on behalf of Wolfgang Kleinwächter<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; *Date: *Thursday, 26 April 2018 at 22:08<br>
&gt;&gt; *To: *&quot;<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>&gt;&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;,<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; *Cc: *&quot;<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">discuss@1net.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; *Subject: *[Ext] [discuss] Antw: Re: We have had four years since the<br>
&gt;&gt; Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I did propose already three years ago to start planning for a<br>
&gt;&gt; NetMundial+5. The IGF 2019 is hosted by Germany. The dates or<br>
&gt;&gt; November 2019, the venue is Berlin. Shouldn´t we start a bottom up<br>
&gt;&gt; process for a review of the Principles and the Roadmap?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Wolfgang<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Nicolas Fiumarelli &lt;<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nicocamarao@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nicocamarao@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; 26.04.18 19.34 Uhr &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hello everyone. Nicolas Fiumarelli from Youth IGF Uruguay.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Like Ian, I think the fact that 4 years have passed from this<br>
&gt;&gt; activity makes me reflect and think, since then there has been no<br>
&gt;&gt; activity that has a multistakeholder mechanism as strong as it was<br>
&gt;&gt; when the call for comments on the statement happened. If there is any<br>
&gt;&gt; way to rescue that technology, which allowed comments on the<br>
&gt;&gt; paragraphs online. I think it was a very good moment, in fact I can<br>
&gt;&gt; say with certainty that that was the boom of the technology applied<br>
&gt;&gt; to multistakeholder modeling for creating agreements between hundreds<br>
&gt;&gt; of interested parties .. And as Ian said, I do not like the idea of<br>
&gt;&gt; waiting for things to be in resolved nation states acting<br>
&gt;&gt; unilaterally when we already have experience of these digital and<br>
&gt;&gt; dynamic multistakeholder ways of resolving things. My advice is to<br>
&gt;&gt; return to these practices where technology takes a particular role in<br>
&gt;&gt; making decisions or &quot;agreements.&quot; I repeat, I have not seen an<br>
&gt;&gt; activity as transparent and open as it was the setting of that<br>
&gt;&gt; statement in NETMundial.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Nico Fiumarelli.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2018-04-25 20:16 GMT-03:00 Nnenna Nwakanma &lt;<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;     I am interested in this conversation<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;     Nnenna<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;      <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;     On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:45 PM, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;     &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;     &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;         Just noticed that we have reached 4 years since this<br>
&gt;&gt;         statement - and reading it again, it still has a lot of valid<br>
&gt;&gt;         things to say.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;          <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;         <a href="http://netmundial.br/netmundial-multistakeholder-statement/%5Bnetmundial.br%5D" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://netmundial.br/netmundial-multistakeholder-statement/[netmundial.br]</a><br>
&gt;&gt;         &lt;<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netmundial.br_netmundial-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dstatement_&amp;d=DwMFaQ&amp;c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&amp;r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&amp;m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&amp;s=eA8vxviM60M0c07_k2tPW9twuz8h8eT-fMC0vjQIdzg&amp;e=" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netmundial.br_netmundial-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dstatement_&amp;d=DwMFaQ&amp;c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&amp;r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&amp;m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&amp;s=eA8vxviM60M0c07_k2tPW9twuz8h8eT-fMC0vjQIdzg&amp;e=</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;          <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;         Sadly, however, there seems to be no current initiative or<br>
&gt;&gt;         any on the horizon capable of addressing the global problems<br>
&gt;&gt;         raised then, which are getting worse and taking on new<br>
&gt;&gt;         dimensions.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;          <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;         Do we just give up? Or just rely on nation states acting<br>
&gt;&gt;         unilaterally to somehow resolve these problems when<br>
&gt;&gt;         unilateral action is not sufficient and in some cases it<br>
&gt;&gt;         isn&#39;t in their perceived interests to take any action whatsoever?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;          <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;          <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;          <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;         Ian Peter<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;          <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
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