[discuss] FW: [I-coordination] on "identifying principles"

michael gurstein gurstein at gmail.com
Thu Dec 19 03:49:18 UTC 2013

From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:45 AM
To: 'I-coordination at nro.net'; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; bestbits
Subject: RE: [I-coordination] on "identifying principles"


Carolina and all,


I am attaching a "Declaration of Principles" from the Community Informatics
community "An Internet for the Common Good: Engagement, Empowerment, and
Justice for All". 


An earlier version of this was accepted by consensus by the larger Community
Informatics community
<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/ciresearchers>  (consisting of
both the general email list and specialized lists for Canada
<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/cracin-canada> , Southern Africa
<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/ci-research-sa> , Older Persons,
<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/ci-for-older-persons>  and
Indigenous peoples <mailto:ci-indigenous at lists.knet.ca>  as well as the
Editorial Board of the Journal of Community Informatics
<http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/about/editorialTeam> ). The current
version was produced by a team that included a leading ICT practitioner from
Mozambique, a Director of a grassroots Community Informatics initiative in
India working with rural women, a practitioner working with marginalized
youth in the barrios of Chicago, a leading researcher in the use of ICTs by
Indigenous Peoples, a former chair of the Computer Professionals for Social
Responsibility and two members of the technical community with interests in
the community based use of ICTs.


We expect a consensus agreement on this version within the next 48 hours
along with endorsements.


While there is some overlap with the principles that you have documented
from other sources we would ask that those that have not elsewhere been
identified be added to your listings and including matters of how addressing
matters concerning the distribution of benefits of the use ICTs and the


With best wishes,




From: i-coordination-bounces at nro.net [mailto:i-coordination-bounces at nro.net]
On Behalf Of Carolina Rossini
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:28 AM
To: Nick Ashton-Hart
Cc: I-coordination at nro.net
Subject: [I-coordination] on "identifying principles"


here I attach some work that can serve as a background regarding the piece
of debate around principles (see Bill and Nick below)

we classified everything out there we could find from every stakeholder

they are in different docs to make it easier to print



On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org>

To Bill's point in the first instance it would be useful to identify those
principles that exist to date and their source and scope. Perhaps 1net could
host a wiki environment or the like where those with knowledge of one or
more could get a list together?


On 17 Dec 2013, at 18:34, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:


Hi George

On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>




You say: "Do we really have nothing more important to be doing here at this
point than redefining the wheel as just a round thingy?  I thought this list
was supposed to be for coordination of multistakeholder dialogue on Sao
Paulo and beyond, but it seems to alternate between being a troll paradise
and the site of a lot of meandering debates on points that are generally
being addressed more systematically elsewhere.  Or am I alone in this


I agree that we need to address points systematically.  Can you provide a
list of systematic points (dare we call them issues?) that it would, in your
view, be useful to discuss?


Well, why not start with the question of principles?  The initiators of the
SP meeting have been saying from the outset they'd like to have a sort of
multistakeholder declaration of principles.  Presumably it'd be helpful if
1net participants were to provide some input on this, and presumably we'd
like it to be more than just nice fluffy words.  Why not discuss the range
of options to make this a useful exercise, and see where there's
cross-stakeholder consensus and where there's not?  It's something concrete
that needs to be done, and they want input by 1 March.







Carolina Rossini 

Project Director, Latin America Resource Center

Open Technology Institute

New America Foundation


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