[discuss] technical vs societal issues (was: Report from the BR meeting local organizing group - Dec 2013)

[Nick Ashton-Hart]

OK, so, to be blunt, propose a solution. Criticism's easy, solutions are hard. 

As one of my favourite ambassadors in Geneva is fond of saying "There are two kinds of people. Those who make a point, and those who make a difference." Anyone can do the former, far fewer people, it seems, the latter.

On 23 Dec 2013, at 15:45, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Not trying to be negative, just realistic and pragmatic. Being under one tent is a good thing, even when is not quite clear who owns and runs the tent, but right now this is like trying to have some important conversations in a bar where all talk at once and the DJ has the music at such a level that you can't almost hear what the other is saying, much less when many of us speak a different language.
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> About the festive season, Happy Holidays and best wishes, but it does not change the shape of my IP packets or the accuracy of my DNS queries.
> 
> Regards
> -Jorge
> 
> On Dec 23, 2013, at 4:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org> wrote:
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>> Sounds a bit negative to me Jorge ;) Personally, getting everyone under one tent is itself a good start. I'm personally prepared to look for solutions, and I expect others are too. Plus, it is the Western festive season, which ought to inspire a bit of good vibes all around ;)
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>> Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Aside from the Brazil meeting, the 'unpacking' of issues you eloquently present in your first paragraph really needs to be done - right now everything is conflated together and if that's not remedied, we are going to end up with a messed-up Internet for everyone.
>>> 
>> While we can consider the Internet as "one net" and coordination/cooperation is required for it to run smoothly, it will be essentially messed up for the ones that want to mess with it, and I'm not talking about malicious intent.
>>> It seems to me that the unpacking is an excellent thing for /1net to engage in, whatever happens with one meeting or another.
>>> 
>> It is a must, a linear discussion like we are having now it does not scale, and if you consider that ICANN which is a 15+ year old organization and still discussing its identity, role, how to govern and operate itself, what we can expect from the nascent 1net that doesn't even have yet a mission ?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Jorge
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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