[discuss] technical vs societal issues (was: Report from the BR meeting local organizing group - Dec 2013)

Mon Dec 23 20:18:53 UTC 2013

I already suggested to start creating specific discussion lists per issues or group of issues.

There are two types of leaders, the ones that people follow and the ones that promote themselves as leaders.

Also as several, including me, have said multiple times, it is very hard to propose any solutions to a problem nobody has yet been able to describe.

-Jorge

> On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org> wrote:
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> OK, so, to be blunt, propose a solution. Criticism's easy, solutions are hard. 
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> As one of my favourite ambassadors in Geneva is fond of saying "There are two kinds of people. Those who make a point, and those who make a difference." Anyone can do the former, far fewer people, it seems, the latter.
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>> On 23 Dec 2013, at 15:45, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Not trying to be negative, just realistic and pragmatic. Being under one tent is a good thing, even when is not quite clear who owns and runs the tent, but right now this is like trying to have some important conversations in a bar where all talk at once and the DJ has the music at such a level that you can't almost hear what the other is saying, much less when many of us speak a different language.
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>> About the festive season, Happy Holidays and best wishes, but it does not change the shape of my IP packets or the accuracy of my DNS queries.
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>> Regards
>> -Jorge
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>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 4:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org> wrote:
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>>> Sounds a bit negative to me Jorge ;) Personally, getting everyone under one tent is itself a good start. I'm personally prepared to look for solutions, and I expect others are too. Plus, it is the Western festive season, which ought to inspire a bit of good vibes all around ;)
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>>> Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Aside from the Brazil meeting, the 'unpacking' of issues you eloquently present in your first paragraph really needs to be done - right now everything is conflated together and if that's not remedied, we are going to end up with a messed-up Internet for everyone.
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>>>> While we can consider the Internet as "one net" and coordination/cooperation is required for it to run smoothly, it will be essentially messed up for the ones that want to mess with it, and I'm not talking about malicious intent.
>>>>> It seems to me that the unpacking is an excellent thing for /1net to engage in, whatever happens with one meeting or another.
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>>>> It is a must, a linear discussion like we are having now it does not scale, and if you consider that ICANN which is a 15+ year old organization and still discussing its identity, role, how to govern and operate itself, what we can expect from the nascent 1net that doesn't even have yet a mission ?
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>>>> Regards
>>>> Jorge
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>>> -- 
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