[discuss] Fwd: FW: [IP] GOP, Dems Clash Over Online Domain Name Oversight/reality check

Mon Apr 14 14:42:08 UTC 2014

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> From: Nathalie Coupet <nathaliecoupet at yahoo.com>
> Date: April 14, 2014 9:36:56 AM EDT
> To: joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com>
> Cc: "discuss at 1net.org" <discuss at 1net.org>
> Subject: Re: [discuss] FW: [IP] GOP, Dems Clash Over Online Domain Name Oversight/reality check
> 
> It seems to me a lot more people need to join the conversation to make MS more democratic and inclusive. I don't believe this model can work unless all willing participant have training in various fields, including and especially in the technical field. 
> I can attest that it is feasible to gather enough knowledge of the DNS in order to circumvent silos. There is no other way, I believe. By ending civil society's dependency to the technical community, we can discuss on an equal footing. 
> An Internet Academy or training programs financed by ICANN would meet these requirements. Training could last between 6 months to 2 years or more, depending on whether the individual wishes to join ALAC or SSAC. I'm not sure body count will help in this matter, since lack of knowledge seem to favor the status quo and deference to the technical community.
> 
> My .02 cents
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> On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> wrote:
> 
>> Milton:
>> 
>> I guess I see these as two discussions which could be developed on parallel and potentially/likely intersecting paths (one narrowly focused, the other, more broadly conceptualized) but any outcome would still need to meet the NTIA criteria.  I see no downside to discussions of a range of mechanisms of governance, but discussing the possibility of Congressional action seems less productive.  I am also concerned that when we speak of democratic inclusiveness from those potentially impacted, we also keep in mind the operational requirements of the Internet and governance mechanisms.  Even the more symbolic oversight functions require some level of knowledge of the ecosystem and implications of decisions on that ecosystem.  While a large number of users may well be potentially impacted, the vast majority of them have little knowledge of the working of DNS systems and related technology or the nuances of principles of governance.  How do we include them?  I try to stay away from exclusionary language, but an not sure how to accommodate the realities of not every conversation or decision-making process being appropriate for, or open to, all people...
>> 
>> Best-
>> 
>> Joe 
>> On 4/14/2014 9:01 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>> Joe:
>>>  
>>> >There is a challenge on the table to develop a solution that will credibly
>>> > meet the NTIA conditions.  To date that is at best a work in progress. 
>>> > You don't need to have Congressional action for a failure to meet those
>>> > criteria to result in the status quo.  The best path forward on these matters
>>> > is to develop a truly credible  solution that protects stability, functionality
>>> > and unity while remaining a non-governmental, multistakeholder solution,
>>> > not subject to capture or subversion by those elements that would try to
>>> > make the Internet less open. 
>>>  
>>> Agreed, we need to focus on the IANA transition, and general discussions of what is democracy do not contribute to that. However, it is legitimate for people to relate specific proposals to broader governance principles. Indeed, that is unavoidable.
>>>  
>>> As for developing solutions, there are a number of specific plans on the table. The IGP proposal is one, but I am still a big fan of the InternetNZ diagrams, which parse out the various activities and functions and show how different proposals might structure them. http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/03/27/mapping-out-the-iana-transition/  
>>>  
>>> I would propose this as a reference point for discussion. There is plenty of constructive activity and discussion that             can happen if we start with that.
>>>  
>>> What is not helpful, or constructive, is for ICANN’s scoping document to tell us that any such discussion is out of scope. That gambit has completely derailed constructive planning and proposal-making around the transition. That is why we and many others have rejected the scoping document and proposed a modified version here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nYQwmfTB52fLwT88RpAyGd3kD69rBLXbnG5zi5IT9yw/edit?usp=sharing
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> On 4/13/2014 9:53 AM, michael gurstein             wrote:
>>> Accepting for the moment the argument that the USG has been completely benign and acting completely in support of the global public interest in its stewardship of the Internet,  shouldn’t someone somewhere be doing the deep thinking involved in figuring out what to do if/when the USG/Congress says to the world… “The Internet is ours, we paid for it, and you can’t have it or you can have it only on our terms… (or the diplomatic/technical equivalent)… and without of course, having any clear idea of what that does (or could) mean.
>>> 
>>> M
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne at warpspeed.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, April 13, 2014
>>> Subject: [Dewayne-Net] GOP, Dems Clash Over Online Domain Name Oversight
>>> To: Multiple recipients of Dewayne-Net <dewayne-net at warpspeed.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> GOP, DEMS CLASH OVER ONLINE DOMAIN NAME OVERSIGHT
>>> By ALAN FRAM
>>> Apr 10 2014
>>> <http://bigstory.ap.org/article/gop-dems-clash-over-online-domain-name-oversight>
>>> 
>>> WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican opposition to Obama administration plans to spin off U.S. oversight of the Internet's domain name system is evolving into an election-year political fight, with GOP lawmakers using it as the latest front in their attacks on President Barack Obama's trustworthiness.
>>> 
>>> "We've seen enough out of this administration and its imperial presidency politics that I'm not going to just give them a blank pen and then walk away," Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., said Thursday as a House subcommittee he chairs voted to impose a one-year delay in implementing any changes so congressional investigators could study the issue.
>>> 
>>> The party-line 16-10 vote came as administration officials defended their proposal at other congressional hearings. And Democratic lawmakers said Republican warnings that the Internet could be turned over to hostile governments were the stuff of fantasy.
>>> 
>>> "It's not a conspiracy or a digital black helicopter," Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Calif., said in a sarcastic reference to 1990s-era claims by some militias and other right-wing groups about government surveillance aircraft. "It's a plan, and I think it's time to move forward with it."
>>> 
>>> The back and forth comes during a campaign season in which Republicans have vilified Obama as exceeding his powers by taking steps such as delaying various deadlines set by his health care overhaul law, which they solidly oppose.
>>> 
>>> The latest dispute is over an administration announcement last month that it wants to give up its oversight of the non-profit U.S. corporation that manages the Internet's system of addresses, such as www.ap.org.
>>> 
>>> That entity — the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers — has allocated domain names and the numerical addresses to which they are attached since 1998. Ever since, ICANN's work has been overseen by the Commerce Department's National Telecommunications and Information Administration.
>>> 
>>> "We are not giving up our leadership role," Lawrence Strickling, who heads the NTIA, told members of the House Judiciary Committee. "We are stepping out of clerical functions we currently perform."
>>> 
>>> Shedding oversight of how ICANN distributes addresses is a long-planned, logical next step, administration officials say. They say the move would still leave the U.S. with a voice on advisory committees and other entities that make decisions about larger questions about Internet policies.
>>> 
>>> The Obama administration and ICANN say decisions about who would take the current U.S. oversight role will be made by companies, engineers, nonprofit groups, governments and other Internet users — the same way many decisions about Internet policy are currently made.
>>> 
>>> "Everyone is at the table with equal voice," ICANN's president and CEO, Fadi Chehade, told the Judiciary panel. "The model works, and it works very well."
>>> 
>>> Critics say there is no way to know what new entity would take the administration's role, or what other changes might occur should the U.S. lose leverage with the domain assigning corporation The U
>>> 
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