joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com
Wed Apr 16 11:29:55 UTC 2014
Apologies, should never post before first cup of coffee :-) conflated
troll and fix broken posts. My bad.
On 4/16/2014 7:19 AM, joseph alhadeff wrote:
> Strikes me that this conversation of fixing the broken - on both sides
> - is the waste of time we have been seeking to avoid. While the list
> is way too packed with conspiracy theory, presumption presented as
> fact, over generalizations and impractical arguments, for my taste,
> and despite resulting in less marginal utility, the comments are not
> irrelevant to the conversation. This list has never been limited to
> the narrower issues that might be relevant to Brazil. Early on we had
> a person suggesting salary information and all sorts of personal
> invective and non-sense. To me that was a troll. What we have now is
> perhaps much less than optimal in productivity, but not out of bounds
> with a broad view of the list's topical relevance. A positive
> reminder for people to keep to thread topics or start new topics and
> perhaps a request for greater care and delineation between opinion and
> demonstrated fact could be more helpful. At the maximum, I think we
> could suggest that some threads are not topical to this list and ask
> that they be pursued elsewhere. It would also be useful for posters
> not to presuppose that they speak on behalf of the unseen majority,
> unless there is some demonstration that they have an actual
> representative capacity. One may otherwise opine /beliefs that most
> people might think that/... as a more accurate phrasing.
> Short hand: a vote for enhanced civility, productivity and fact-based
> argument on all sides. Absent those, the list will become irrelevant
> on its own with no need for exclusions.
> On 4/15/2014 9:20 PM, Jefsey wrote:
>> At 02:27 16/04/2014, George Sadowsky wrote:
>>> I agree. The Steering Committee has agreed to put into effect
>>> certain processes to deal with this, modeled after IETF procedures
>>> for dealing with the same behavior. We should see a proposal, and
>>> then hopefully something being put into practice very soon.
>> This implies the clarification on the ICANN/NTIA position regarding
>> their conception of what is an enhanced cooperation, in particular
>> with the multitude's stakeholders.
>> I am back from my evening working meeting on VGNs. People were quite
>> pleased with the "troll" mails: every of us wait for this, now
>> annouced, clarification. It was made urgent by the today's parallel
>> "so many of your statements here are false or twisted in your assumed
>> implications that it hurts" rude words of a former ICANN VP to Carlos
>> A. Afonso, the civil society artesan of the NETmundial, for his
>> gallant presentation of the user's genuine vision of the status of
>> the I*leaders' RFC 6852 internet.
>> The Steering Committee position will be a test for the NTIA. It will
>> help us to know far better what the olicannopole's MSism and
>> globalization can be, just in time before the Sao Paulo meeting. I
>> obviously hope that VGN Masters, IUsers of the Multitude and
>> end-users (on a non pay-vote basis) will be able to cooperate with
>> the new ICANN toward an architectural innovative revamp of the global
>> catenet under a neutral internet reviewed, consolidated, and extended
>> trustable technology.
>> discuss mailing list
>> discuss at 1net.org
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> discuss at 1net.org
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