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michael gurstein gurstein at gmail.com
Sat Apr 19 08:14:06 UTC 2014

Thanks Ian,


I think that is something that all of civil society should be expressing I would have thought.




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I agree with your point Michael. I am travelling now, but I think you should make the point in NetMundial document somehow that extending multistakeholderism to all aspects on governance “on the internet” could be problematic and does not have universal agreement.



Ian Peter 


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David (and McTim


I believe I responded to your comments in my reply to Mike Roberts


“a strong case has been made for multistakeholder processes in the governance of the technical aspects of the Internet. However, much of the NetMundial discussion is concerning the governance of activities which take place “on” the Internet (such as surveillance for example)”.


(In ICANN’s onionskin model of the Internet this would correspond to the “content”, “social” and (I would argue the unreasonably overlooked) “economic” layers where traditional democratic governance structures and processes have a long and valuable history.  For these layers, MSism would seem to be little more than an attempt by various corporate forces to get a seat at the table (and thus a dominant position) in decision making and efforts by certain governments to ensure them of these opportunities.




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On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document.


Assuming you're talking about Internet governance, "to replace democratic governance" implies that it exists (or at least has). Can you explain why you believe this?






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