[discuss] History/Summary of discussion on /1net till 30/01/2014
Michele Neylon - Blacknight
michele at blacknight.com
Tue Feb 4 12:51:23 UTC 2014
While I appreciate the effort involved in preparing this document I'd tend to agree with a lot of what Jorge has said
The Brazil meeting was not expected, so it couldn't be "widely anticipated"
Since when is a mailing list an organisation? If it is a "body" or whatever then what is it and under which jurisdiction has it been setup?
ICANN is an organisation, so is RIPE etc., etc., 1net as far as I am aware is a mailing list
I'd also echo Jorge's comments about posting frequency etc., Quite a few people try to follow this list and its discussions, but not all of us have the time to reply to every single thread and many people may not feel that it is necessary or that they have anything to add.
However their views should not be drowned out by others.
Establishing any level of "consensus" is never easy, but just assuming that there is consensus is also very dangerous
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From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Amodio
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 3:24 AM
To: Adiel Akplogan
Cc: discuss at 1net.org List
Subject: Re: [discuss] History/Summary of discussion on /1net till 30/01/2014
you didn't answer my questions.
Anyway, I find three things wrong with this document: 1-Origin, 2-Style, 3-Content.
1- If this document is your personal summary (or intended as a summary) you should state so and put your name on it. As it is looks like a 1net generated document, which is not, not even by the SC.
2- The style is confusing, what happened on the list is on the archives. By cherry picking particular messages with links to them explaining what they say or represent is very subjective. If you want to write a paper about this, write a paper not a long list of URLs with sideline commentaries.
If you want to have a document generated by 1net, particularly about the second section where the author proposes a list of issues and some sort of characterization and qualification with the "Explanation of topic factors" you should involve the rest of the community and this should be a collaborative effort.
The "Explanation of topic factors" matrix is also very subjective.
3- Just to mention a few:
"widely anticipated". "much-anticipated" meeting in Brazil ?
There was no anticipation, this meeting was suddenly pushed through the throat of the Internet community.
"Unsurprisingly for an organization that was created in short order"
What organization ? Since when 1net is an organization ?
You seem to go in circles trying to define what 1net is (or some wish it to be,) the document starts with exactly that identity crisis, "initiative", "dialogue", you forgot: movement, framework, open forum, etc, etc.
"/1net is official partner"
Once again, who is 1net? what is 1net? how it can be "official" ?
Also is it 1net or /1net ? What is the meaning of the slash ?
If we want to stop being US centric, "Freedom of expression" was not invented by the gringos and it should not be based on the US Bill of Rights.
Surveillance is not just "NSA/Snowden", people seem to be fixated on Snowdenia and forget that the problem is pervasive surveillance, primarily by state actors, and big data collection and mining by corporations.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net<mailto:adiel at afrinic.net>> wrote:
Hello Jorge, this is not a conclusive document (the discussion continue on these topics if needed), if you disagree or think it does not accurately represent what happened on the list let me know what you think is inaccurate and maybe reopen the discussion about that aspect. A debate about who wrote it should not be the focus here. I like your suggestion of using a Wiki which is worth exploring.
On 2014-02-04, at 02:59 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com<mailto:jmamodio at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Who is/are the author/s and what is the goal of this one sided document ?
> A wiki will be more appropriate as a tool to develop some bottom-up effort to produce a document such this one with much broad participation.
> I guess we don't learn that this kind of stuff keeps making whatever 1net is or pretend to be, very hard to digest.
>> On Feb 3, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net<mailto:adiel at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> Find in the attached document further summary/history of what happened on the /1net open discussion list since it has started.
>> - a.
>> <1net summary (to 30 jan).pdf>
>> discuss mailing list
>> discuss at 1net.org<mailto:discuss at 1net.org>
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> discuss at 1net.org<mailto:discuss at 1net.org>
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