[discuss] Artificial conflation of issues not helpful. [Was: Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67]

Dominique Lacroix dl at panamo.eu
Thu Feb 20 14:10:46 UTC 2014

Dear George and Gregory,

You're right. One cannot prove an absence. It recalls the beginning of
Irak invasion... where the USA asked for evidences that there were not
any weapon of mass destruction/./
But here, I only invite you to prove that Patriot Act and NSA abusing
surveillance don't exist, as I invoked them both as evidences.
And Michel Gauthier precisely listed some links between the root
management and US surveillance.

CODE is a sort of weapon of mass destruction if one country centralizes
its production rules.

Now, I can understand that with good faith you could consider things in
another way.
This problem as also several layers.
If you prefer, you could consider that the whole
economic-socio-technical US system is wandering, without really checking
the agreements of the others, in a worldwide shape & control logic. The
most part of US actors of this system cannot see it because their are
inside the box, just doing - very well - one's job, a very little part
of the whole. It works like hypnosis, like possession by a sorcerer
power. It's a power of technique well known by some philosophers.

@+, best, Dominique

Le 19/02/14 21:44, George Sadowsky a écrit :
> Dominique,
> You’re asking me to prove a negative.  I can’t do that, can you ?
> The Patriot Act is a piece of domestic legislation that contains points that I both agree with and disagree with.  It does not involve the IANA function or the root zone files.  It does legislate tighter controls (surveillance) over certain activities.
> The NSA revelations are cause for concern as a surveillance issue.  But I don’t see that you imply that they are connected with the IANA functions or the root zone files.
> Perhaps you could be more specific regarding the evidence for linkages between the two.
> George
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> wrote:
>> Le 19/02/14 20:55, George Sadowsky a écrit :
>>> In particular, I would assert that the real link between the NSA revelations and technical management of the root is the perception that both involve the same country, the USA.  I would claim that there is no technical linkage between the two.  Those that believe there is such a linkage have the obligation to describe in detail, with evidence, exactly what they believe that linkage is.
>>> There is also a perception that ICANN and therefore the IANA function being located in the USA have given the NSA an advantage in being able to carry out their various surveillance activities.  I asset that this is not true. Those that believe there is such a linkage have the obligation to describe in detail, with evidence, exactly what they believe that linkage is.
>> Dear George and Shatan,
>> I usually don't share all Jefsey's visions (cause either I cannot understand them or I have no time enough to read their abstracts). But on this point I fear YOU have to give the world some evidence. Otherwise you could appear as trying to reverse the burden of proof.
>> The Patriot Act + NSA revelations ARE evidences for the whole world.
>> That is the very sad and tricky situation we have to face.
>> @+, best, Dominique
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