[discuss] Blogpost: So What Do We Do Now? Living in a Post-Snowden World

Jorge Amodio jmamodio at gmail.com
Thu Jan 2 22:31:39 UTC 2014

I like the exchange that is going on at IETF in reference to your draft, but IMHO pervasive monitoring is not just a technical problem and goes several layers above IETF, and any technical solution or workaround will just trigger a counter action as long as snooping agencies around the world keep their mandate and funding, then how we can produce changes at that level ?

No doubt we all want and will support more secure, private and reliable networks, regardless of snowdenia hysteria.


> On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell at cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> I disagree with this bit:
>> On 01/02/2014 04:24 PM, michael gurstein wrote:
>> But the revelations have just kept on coming and the tech community like
>> everyone else recognizes the scope and depth and ultimately overwhelming
>> power of an agency with access to the full might and resources of the
>> richest, most powerful country on earth led by a President who himself seems
>> to be either in thrall of the surveillance machine or indentured to it for
>> reasons we may never know. They, now equally stand blinded by the headlights
>> of a headlong careening tank, are recognizing with appalled
>> self-incriminations what a horror they have allowed and contributed to being
>> born.
>> Quite clearly technical solutions won't work (or at least won't scale) if
>> the dominant power doesn't want it to work, and anyway who would trust that
>> anti-surveillance solutions were working after all we know of how the
>> corporate sector and the tech community has been (willingly or or no)
>> brought in as semi-aware co-conspirators.
> While we can't solve the problem via solely technical means,
> there are technical things that we can and should be doing
> that can increase the costs and visibility of pervasive
> monitoring. And I don't think that the technical community are
> blinded by headlights at all. That's not to say that there's
> yet rough consensus on all the details, but I don't think the
> above matches the current reality very well.
> S.
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