[discuss] Academic sector appointments to the 1net steering committee from multiple platforms

Tue Jan 7 06:36:56 UTC 2014

On Monday 06 January 2014 01:53 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> Time for someone to call your bluff. Is your CI community civil 
> society or academic? You now claim that either one will do. That seems 
> to expose this whole effort of yours as nothing more than a vehicle 
> for getting yourself on a committee.
>
> CI describes itself as concerned with ICTs and their impact on 
> community, especially local communities. That's an interesting and 
> perfectly legitimate set of interests, but it is far more general than 
> the issues we are concerned with and fairly remote from global 
> internet governance (unless of course, you want to perpetuate the 
> fallacy of calling anything and everything related to the Internet as 
> part of global internet governance.)
>

Milton,

I am unable to understand why a nuanced understanding of contracts 
between registries and registrars is more about IG, than is to 
understand and articulate how the Internet is impacting the 
informational, communicative and associational ecologies/ systems of 
local communities. And from such an understanding derive the public 
policy principles of what kind of kind of an Internet we want... Why do 
think this is not about Internet governance? Would you please explain.

> Thus it not surprising that no one from this CI community has 
> established a significant presence in ICANN, IGF, the RIRs, IETF or 
> any of the other institutions directly engaged with IG.
>

Have you ever thought that such things also have to do with availability 
of funds and other kinds of resources, which are not necessarily 
directly proportional to the relevance of an issue to global IG... 
although it may have to considerably do  with the relevance of the issue 
to the interests of those who hold most funds.

As I said in my earlier email, if the new phase of global Internet 
governance dialogue is not about coming out of the artificially created 
insularities of the global IG space, and pushing out 'outside' 
interests, when the Internet has in fact become the social 
infrastructure for almost everything, then it simply wont lead anywhere. 
In any case, it would not be a 'new phase' which the Brazilian 
initiative had ignited the hope for among many.

parminder

> The one person who seems to overlap those worlds -- you -- is also 
> involved in and represented in IGC and IRP -- and you could be 
> involved in Giganet as an academic if you wanted to be. If the people 
> involved in those entities didn't choose to nominate you for these 
> positions, then that's your problem, not the entire 1net community's 
> problem.
>
> So please, stop pretending that CI is some massive grassroots movement 
> related to Internet governance that deserves special representation; 
> and stop pretending that  your frustration with not being selected by 
> CS means that their procedures were illegitimate.
>
> You are your group are free to contribute position papers to the 
> process and to attend, as far as we know. Why don't you see how far 
> you can get on persuasion and education, if that's really your  mission?
>
> *From:*discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] *On 
> Behalf Of *michael gurstein
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:18 PM
> *To:* 'Seun Ojedeji'
> *Cc:* discuss at 1net.org
> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] Academic sector appointments to the 1net 
> steering committee from multiple platforms
>
> Hi Seun,
>
> Thanks for your note and for your suggestion.  As I mentioned, the 
> Community Informatics (CI) community is currently going through a 
> formal NomCom process to identify candidates both for CS nominations 
> and for "academic" nominations given that we include significant 
> active elements from both civil society and academia...
>
> We would of course, be delighted to collaborate in any way appropriate 
> with Giganet and others and the Giganet nominating process however, I 
> think that the CI nominees guided as they would be by the consensus CI 
> Declaration may have different interests and inputs than those coming 
> from Giganet.
>
> CI "academics" almost without exception, are or have been working with 
> grassroots users to facilitate local access, use, and development by 
> means of the Internet.  The consequence of this is that their 
> activities on the proposed committees would certainly reflect this on 
> the ground practical experience and, based on their associated 
> research would introduce a significant and broadly based knowledge 
> component into these activities and through this means, hopefully into 
> the meeting as a whole.
>
> Best,
>
> Mike
>
> *From:*Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 05, 2014 7:03 PM
> *To:* michael gurstein
> *Cc:* discuss at 1net.org <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>; Adiel A. Akplogan
> *Subject:* Re: Academic sector appointments to the 1net steering 
> committee from multiple platforms
>
> Hello Micheal, all
>
> It seem to me that there are 2 different platforms providing 
> nomination to 1Net for the academic sector. Based on the recent update 
> provided by Milton(which I am glad about it's diversity), will there 
> still be need for more nomination? Unless the number of academic 
> representatives required by 1Net is yet to be reached.
> However, on the second thought; 1Net is calling for nomination so 
> perhaps there will still be a process for actual election of 
> members(which I doubt).
> Otherwise @Milton I don't think there still a need for further 
> nomination. "IMHO" it may have been more helpful if both organisation 
> coordinated efforts before this time (again borrowing from the CS 
> approach)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Regards
> sent from Google nexus 4
>
> On 5 Jan 2014 10:25, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com 
> <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Please note Adiel,
>
> That the Community Informatics community is in the midst of its NomCom
> process and will be providing you with several highly qualified 
> nominees to
> the academic sector from within our community no later than Jan. 12.
>
> Best,
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org <mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org> 
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org <mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org>] On 
> Behalf
> Of Adiel Akplogan
> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 4:14 PM
> To: Milton L Mueller
> Cc: discuss at 1net.org <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>
> Subject: Re: [discuss] Revised Academic sector appointments to the 1net
> steering committee
>
> Thank you Milton.
>
> - a.
> On 2014-01-04, at 19:26 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu 
> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>
> > Dear Adiel:
> > Here is the final list of recommendations from Giganet for the
> > academic sector slots on the 1net coordinating committee
> >
> > Angela Daly (Australia) angela.daly at EUI.EU 
> <mailto:angela.daly at EUI.EU> Ramesh Subramanian
> > (India/USA) ramesh.subramanian at quinnipiac.edu 
> <mailto:ramesh.subramanian at quinnipiac.edu> Stefania Milan (Italy,
> > NL) Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu <mailto:Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu> William 
> Drake (USA, CH) William.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:William.drake at uzh.ch>
> > Boubakar Barry (Ghana) Boubakar.Barry at wacren.net 
> <mailto:Boubakar.Barry at wacren.net>
> >
> >
> > Milton Mueller
> > Chair, GigaNet Steering Committee
> > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> > http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/
> >
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