[discuss] Who will be in Brazil

Tue Jan 7 19:13:31 UTC 2014

Totally agreed, Alejandro.
Best!
M

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>wrote:

> Marilia,
>
> I share Ginger's commitment to remote partifcipation as much as anyone
> else. It goes way beyond the technical facilities (which of course must be
> open, as symmetric as possible, scalable and resilient.) If the
> infrastructure is there, remote participation still depends on someone in
> the physical room banging her fist on the table and making sure remote
> participants are heard and interacted with effectively, not as "chatter."
>
> Making RP dependent on hubs would be a design fault; facilitating them is
> different. Everyone must have an equal voice, physically present or not.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello Alejandro,
>>
>> Remote participation has natural limitations. One of them is time zone
>> differences. Somewhere people will have to sacrifice their sleeping hours,
>> or resort to the recorded sessions and transcripts. But this does not make
>> RP less important, especially in contexts in which on-site attendance is
>> limited, which is the present case. Webcast and RP are transparency and
>> openness features that have been advocated by many people in our community
>> until they were seen as "integral part" of the IG processes. Today it is
>> natural and expected that they will be available. This is something we
>> conquered and should value.
>>
>> I did not quite understand your argument about a centralist/corporatist
>> thinking. Of course, people would be able to connect individually from home
>> too, but they would also have the option to organize hubs and start a local
>> discussion with peers.
>>
>> Having worked with Ginger for years, I totally second your comments about
>> her and would be happy to see her on the lead of any RP initiative.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Marilia,
>>>
>>> hubs are nice but experience has proven that they only work in specific
>>> circumstances, one of which depends on timezones. Remember the "pajama
>>> parties" when the timezone difference was around 8 hours to North America.
>>> There has to be a natural scaling factor. Otherwise depending on hubs is
>>> one more manifestation of centralistic/corporatist thinking.
>>>
>>> Ginger Paque has a much better perspective on remote participation than
>>> most people I know and if a working group is formed for this purpose she
>>> would be the first person I'd recommend to form part of it and lead it.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The meeting should definitely have webcast, given the fact that on site
>>>> participation will be limited. It should not be forgotten that the IGF 2007
>>>> in Brazil triggered a push for remote participation. Some ideas ventilated
>>>> in Rio on that occasion served as inspiration to the development of remote
>>>> participation in the IGF, which ultimately led to the organization of IGF
>>>> hubs, a successful model of engagement. RP was considered an integral part
>>>> of the IGF and is extensively used in other organizations, such as ICANN
>>>> and ITU. The conference in Brazil should live up to those experiences.
>>>>
>>>> Practically, technical expertise from ICANN could be coupled with the
>>>> IGF model of RP, based on hubs. People gathered in the hubs could follow
>>>> the webcast from Rio and also discuss the topics on the agenda from their
>>>> own perspective. Discussions carried out in the hubs could be summarized
>>>> and documented, gathered after the conference, and should be part of the
>>>> documental history of the event. These documents could provide us all with
>>>> additional ideas on how to move discussions forward after Rio.
>>>>
>>>> Ginger Paque, from Diplo, has sent a message to some folks offering the
>>>> LOG assistance with that. Diplo has extensive experience with RP and could
>>>> definitely help to find a model of integrating RP while also taking into
>>>> consideration that the meeting should have a manageable size. I also
>>>> volunteer to help, as a former member of the IGF Remote Participation
>>>> Working Group. I am sure others would be interested to make it happen as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Marília
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Roland Perry <
>>>> roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <CAH5D2GHdvZVg66HBBS5eLtWi7+0-+JgaWJSgpSZ3ok2+3eT-pA at mail.
>>>>> gmail.com>, at 11:12:35 on Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Jerry Blimo <
>>>>> jerryblimo at gmail.com> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone clearly and concisely state who is going to be at the
>>>>>> meeting in Brazil? Not just who the 20-odd people making the decisions will
>>>>>> be, but who else can go and participate/observe
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No-one seems to have replied, so perhaps I can make an intervention
>>>>> along the lines of: "it's a long way to go to find the meeting room is too
>>>>> small to accommodate observers, but webcasting the entire thing is such an
>>>>> obvious thing to do, I'd be surprised if the organisers have overlooked it".
>>>>> --
>>>>> Roland Perry
>>>>>
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>>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>>
>>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>>
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>>>> www.diplomacy.edu
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>> *Marília Maciel*
>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>
>> Researcher and Coordinator
>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>
>> DiploFoundation associate
>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>
>>
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> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
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*Marília Maciel*
Pesquisadora Gestora
Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio

Researcher and Coordinator
Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts

DiploFoundation associate
www.diplomacy.edu
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