[discuss] Who will be in Brazil

Tue Jan 7 20:09:07 UTC 2014

In regards to remote participation, careful planning and considerable
technical expertise is required to make sure a  high quality internet
connection is available not only to those physically attending the meeting,
but also those who will do so remotely.  A technical briefing  from the
organizing committee on this issue would be most welcome.

That being said, there are different types of remote participation - shall
we spec it out?

>From my perspective,  One thing is having remote access to the event, where
we can hear the conversation.  Another, far more complex  and desirable
option would be to get a commitment from the organizers of the event to
facilitate effective remote engagement. The later allows for remote
attendees to not just hear the speakers but also participate in the
considerable number of side events and outside the meeting room discussions
that are quite common at ICANN and IG related meetings.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:

> Totally agreed, Alejandro.
> Best!
> M
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Marilia,
>>
>> I share Ginger's commitment to remote partifcipation as much as anyone
>> else. It goes way beyond the technical facilities (which of course must be
>> open, as symmetric as possible, scalable and resilient.) If the
>> infrastructure is there, remote participation still depends on someone in
>> the physical room banging her fist on the table and making sure remote
>> participants are heard and interacted with effectively, not as "chatter."
>>
>> Making RP dependent on hubs would be a design fault; facilitating them is
>> different. Everyone must have an equal voice, physically present or not.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Alejandro,
>>>
>>> Remote participation has natural limitations. One of them is time zone
>>> differences. Somewhere people will have to sacrifice their sleeping hours,
>>> or resort to the recorded sessions and transcripts. But this does not make
>>> RP less important, especially in contexts in which on-site attendance is
>>> limited, which is the present case. Webcast and RP are transparency and
>>> openness features that have been advocated by many people in our community
>>> until they were seen as "integral part" of the IG processes. Today it is
>>> natural and expected that they will be available. This is something we
>>> conquered and should value.
>>>
>>> I did not quite understand your argument about a centralist/corporatist
>>> thinking. Of course, people would be able to connect individually from home
>>> too, but they would also have the option to organize hubs and start a local
>>> discussion with peers.
>>>
>>> Having worked with Ginger for years, I totally second your comments
>>> about her and would be happy to see her on the lead of any RP initiative.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marilia,
>>>>
>>>> hubs are nice but experience has proven that they only work in specific
>>>> circumstances, one of which depends on timezones. Remember the "pajama
>>>> parties" when the timezone difference was around 8 hours to North America.
>>>> There has to be a natural scaling factor. Otherwise depending on hubs is
>>>> one more manifestation of centralistic/corporatist thinking.
>>>>
>>>> Ginger Paque has a much better perspective on remote participation than
>>>> most people I know and if a working group is formed for this purpose she
>>>> would be the first person I'd recommend to form part of it and lead it.
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>>
>>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Marilia Maciel <
>>>> mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The meeting should definitely have webcast, given the fact that on
>>>>> site participation will be limited. It should not be forgotten that the IGF
>>>>> 2007 in Brazil triggered a push for remote participation. Some ideas
>>>>> ventilated in Rio on that occasion served as inspiration to the development
>>>>> of remote participation in the IGF, which ultimately led to the
>>>>> organization of IGF hubs, a successful model of engagement. RP was
>>>>> considered an integral part of the IGF and is extensively used in other
>>>>> organizations, such as ICANN and ITU. The conference in Brazil should live
>>>>> up to those experiences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Practically, technical expertise from ICANN could be coupled with the
>>>>> IGF model of RP, based on hubs. People gathered in the hubs could follow
>>>>> the webcast from Rio and also discuss the topics on the agenda from their
>>>>> own perspective. Discussions carried out in the hubs could be summarized
>>>>> and documented, gathered after the conference, and should be part of the
>>>>> documental history of the event. These documents could provide us all with
>>>>> additional ideas on how to move discussions forward after Rio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ginger Paque, from Diplo, has sent a message to some folks offering
>>>>> the LOG assistance with that. Diplo has extensive experience with RP and
>>>>> could definitely help to find a model of integrating RP while also taking
>>>>> into consideration that the meeting should have a manageable size. I also
>>>>> volunteer to help, as a former member of the IGF Remote Participation
>>>>> Working Group. I am sure others would be interested to make it happen as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Marília
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Roland Perry <
>>>>> roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <CAH5D2GHdvZVg66HBBS5eLtWi7+0-+JgaWJSgpSZ3ok2+3eT-pA at mail.
>>>>>> gmail.com>, at 11:12:35 on Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Jerry Blimo <
>>>>>> jerryblimo at gmail.com> writes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone clearly and concisely state who is going to be at the
>>>>>>> meeting in Brazil? Not just who the 20-odd people making the decisions will
>>>>>>> be, but who else can go and participate/observe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No-one seems to have replied, so perhaps I can make an intervention
>>>>>> along the lines of: "it's a long way to go to find the meeting room is too
>>>>>> small to accommodate observers, but webcasting the entire thing is such an
>>>>>> obvious thing to do, I'd be surprised if the organisers have overlooked it".
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Roland Perry
>>>>>>
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>>>>> *Marília Maciel*
>>>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>>>
>>>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>>>
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>>>>> www.diplomacy.edu
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>>> *Marília Maciel*
>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>
>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>
>>> DiploFoundation associate
>>> www.diplomacy.edu
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> Facultad de Química UNAM
>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
>> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>
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> Pesquisadora Gestora
> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>
> Researcher and Coordinator
> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>
> DiploFoundation associate
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