[discuss] Who will be in Brazil
Virginia Paque
virginiap at diplomacy.edu
Tue Jan 7 20:16:40 UTC 2014
Right you are, Robert: no doubt about it, we are asking for remote
participation, not remote observation.
Guidelines and principles are available, but I think this is probably a
topic for a sub-group discussion. Let us know if you would like to join the
implementation effort. Either way, I am sure the whole IG community, not
just CS, appreciates your support.
Cheers, gp
Ginger (Virginia) Paque
IG Programmes, DiploFoundation
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>wrote:
> In regards to remote participation, careful planning and considerable
> technical expertise is required to make sure a high quality internet
> connection is available not only to those physically attending the meeting,
> but also those who will do so remotely. A technical briefing from the
> organizing committee on this issue would be most welcome.
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> That being said, there are different types of remote participation - shall
> we spec it out?
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> From my perspective, One thing is having remote access to the event,
> where we can hear the conversation. Another, far more complex and
> desirable option would be to get a commitment from the organizers of the
> event to facilitate effective remote engagement. The later allows for
> remote attendees to not just hear the speakers but also participate in the
> considerable number of side events and outside the meeting room discussions
> that are quite common at ICANN and IG related meetings.
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> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Totally agreed, Alejandro.
>> Best!
>> M
>>
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>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Marilia,
>>>
>>> I share Ginger's commitment to remote partifcipation as much as anyone
>>> else. It goes way beyond the technical facilities (which of course must be
>>> open, as symmetric as possible, scalable and resilient.) If the
>>> infrastructure is there, remote participation still depends on someone in
>>> the physical room banging her fist on the table and making sure remote
>>> participants are heard and interacted with effectively, not as "chatter."
>>>
>>> Making RP dependent on hubs would be a design fault; facilitating them
>>> is different. Everyone must have an equal voice, physically present or not.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Alejandro,
>>>>
>>>> Remote participation has natural limitations. One of them is time zone
>>>> differences. Somewhere people will have to sacrifice their sleeping hours,
>>>> or resort to the recorded sessions and transcripts. But this does not make
>>>> RP less important, especially in contexts in which on-site attendance is
>>>> limited, which is the present case. Webcast and RP are transparency and
>>>> openness features that have been advocated by many people in our community
>>>> until they were seen as "integral part" of the IG processes. Today it is
>>>> natural and expected that they will be available. This is something we
>>>> conquered and should value.
>>>>
>>>> I did not quite understand your argument about a centralist/corporatist
>>>> thinking. Of course, people would be able to connect individually from home
>>>> too, but they would also have the option to organize hubs and start a local
>>>> discussion with peers.
>>>>
>>>> Having worked with Ginger for years, I totally second your comments
>>>> about her and would be happy to see her on the lead of any RP initiative.
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Marilia,
>>>>>
>>>>> hubs are nice but experience has proven that they only work in
>>>>> specific circumstances, one of which depends on timezones. Remember the
>>>>> "pajama parties" when the timezone difference was around 8 hours to North
>>>>> America. There has to be a natural scaling factor. Otherwise depending on
>>>>> hubs is one more manifestation of centralistic/corporatist thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ginger Paque has a much better perspective on remote participation
>>>>> than most people I know and if a working group is formed for this purpose
>>>>> she would be the first person I'd recommend to form part of it and lead it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Marilia Maciel <
>>>>> mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The meeting should definitely have webcast, given the fact that on
>>>>>> site participation will be limited. It should not be forgotten that the IGF
>>>>>> 2007 in Brazil triggered a push for remote participation. Some ideas
>>>>>> ventilated in Rio on that occasion served as inspiration to the development
>>>>>> of remote participation in the IGF, which ultimately led to the
>>>>>> organization of IGF hubs, a successful model of engagement. RP was
>>>>>> considered an integral part of the IGF and is extensively used in other
>>>>>> organizations, such as ICANN and ITU. The conference in Brazil should live
>>>>>> up to those experiences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Practically, technical expertise from ICANN could be coupled with the
>>>>>> IGF model of RP, based on hubs. People gathered in the hubs could follow
>>>>>> the webcast from Rio and also discuss the topics on the agenda from their
>>>>>> own perspective. Discussions carried out in the hubs could be summarized
>>>>>> and documented, gathered after the conference, and should be part of the
>>>>>> documental history of the event. These documents could provide us all with
>>>>>> additional ideas on how to move discussions forward after Rio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ginger Paque, from Diplo, has sent a message to some folks offering
>>>>>> the LOG assistance with that. Diplo has extensive experience with RP and
>>>>>> could definitely help to find a model of integrating RP while also taking
>>>>>> into consideration that the meeting should have a manageable size. I also
>>>>>> volunteer to help, as a former member of the IGF Remote Participation
>>>>>> Working Group. I am sure others would be interested to make it happen as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Marília
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Roland Perry <
>>>>>> roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In message <CAH5D2GHdvZVg66HBBS5eLtWi7+0-
>>>>>>> +JgaWJSgpSZ3ok2+3eT-pA at mail.gmail.com>, at 11:12:35 on Thu, 2 Jan
>>>>>>> 2014, Jerry Blimo <jerryblimo at gmail.com> writes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone clearly and concisely state who is going to be at the
>>>>>>>> meeting in Brazil? Not just who the 20-odd people making the decisions will
>>>>>>>> be, but who else can go and participate/observe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No-one seems to have replied, so perhaps I can make an intervention
>>>>>>> along the lines of: "it's a long way to go to find the meeting room is too
>>>>>>> small to accommodate observers, but webcasting the entire thing is such an
>>>>>>> obvious thing to do, I'd be surprised if the organisers have overlooked it".
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Roland Perry
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Marília Maciel*
>>>>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>>>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>>>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>>>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DiploFoundation associate
>>>>>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>> Facultad de Química UNAM
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>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
>>>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>>>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Marília Maciel*
>>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>>
>>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>>
>>>> DiploFoundation associate
>>>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> --
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>>> Facultad de Química UNAM
>>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
>>> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
>>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Marília Maciel*
>> Pesquisadora Gestora
>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>
>> Researcher and Coordinator
>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>
>> DiploFoundation associate
>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>
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