[discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation

Thu Jan 9 22:48:56 UTC 2014

+1. I would really, really recommend we start having separate lists actually. I've about given up on following the 1net list at all at this point between the volume, the cross-posting, and the ad hominem attacks.

Joe Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> wrote:
>Might it be possible to create a different discussion thread for issues
>of what ICANN/I* is or isn't or what motivations and intrigue may be
>afoot?  "Heads up Brazil meeting preparation" is a bit deceptive as to
>content.
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>I used to think I was cynical, but after these posts I think I may be
>innocent or naïve J
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>From: Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal
>[mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net] 
>Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 5:23 PM
>To: David Conrad
>Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt; 1Net
>List; governance at lists.igcaucus.org IGC
>Subject: Re: [discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting
>preparation
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>You are writing your own fiction here David... Beckstrom and 1net is a
>fruit of your imagination. The point is about Beckstrom, ICANN and the
>WEF. Very theatrical! 
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>As an observer to the current situation, I was very interested to see
>and listen to Beckstrom as he was participating with other I* vets, in
>a panel during a recent WEF meeting in Abu Dhabi. A meeting to prepare
>the next Davos summit -remember the communication plan of ICANN? There
>he advocated, as a good little soldier, that the I* had the perfect
>understanding of governance under a multistakeholder model, linking it
>to the WEF which he described as the cutting edge of multistakeholder
>governance - and call the audience to save the world by saving the MS
>model, brought as the Holy Grail to the planet by the I stars and
>stripes. He made various statements, all of that putting a bit
>additional fluff to what is going on right now. This brings the ICANN
>dramaturgy and current campaign to new level of narcissism. Nothing
>more nothing less.
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>What is happening right now is that we are slowly uncovering the way
>things are happening for IG, and the way the MS model allows people to
>fool other people, whoever each of them are. We do not govern, we
>coordinate. We do not have strategic thoughts, we give direction and
>let it be. We are the invisible hand (very well paid) that is truly
>protecting Internauts, as long as they pay gently for their access to
>the Net....
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>Beckstrom says what he wants but it cannot be that he attended a WEF
>preparatory meeting without Fadi's 'go' on that, and, most importantly,
>having the WEF with a clear perspective of a big incoming check in
>their pocket at the end of January 2014. Sorry guys, Swiss fares! (how
>much will ICANN spend to be seen in Davos under the umbrella of the
>cutting edge of MS governance? Nothing to worry when one checks the
>2014 ICANN budget. It's all there).
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>Was it necessary for ICANN and its internationalization dressing to go
>to bed with the most out-dated global room service for leaders (in
>Davos), the most expensive concierge of global fluff consultancy. The
>WEF is so multistakeholder that these
>doing-all-we-can-for-a-better-world people are accepting tons of $ from
>the Russian and the Chinese with no hesitation (remember the villains
>in the Internet power grab fiction, the enemies of the Holy and Unified
>Internet). I work a few miles away from the WEF (left bank is UN and
>NGOs, right bank is WEF, bankers and lawyers here in Geneva) and if the
>WEF is the cutting edge of MS governance, then, apart from me being the
>Pope, this model won't survive very long. This is a big joke. Me in
>Pope I mean.
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>So maybe 1net dreams of convening some béni-oui-oui, paying them
>largely enough for them to endorse whatever thoughts will come out of
>that mascarade but I hope that all the honest brokers of the IG debate
>will resist the temptation of the $ and leave that empty MS body. Smoke
>over fluff over smoke...
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>And today we have had an incredible testimony from Seun Ojedeji:
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>...Now this seems complicated, I had thought the 1Net committee
>referred to by Hartmut are the nominated 1Net steering/coordinating
>committee. Adiel's comment above is looking like there are other group
>of people called 1Net committee aside those nominated. It will be
>interesting to know that the role of all the nominated 1Net committee
>members in Brazil event is just to observe (considering amount of data
>burnt towards committee nomination :) )
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>And now you want everyone to feel cool relax, and enjoying the ride?
>Sure, let's go to Vegas, if you do not like Davos. Who's paying for my
>ticket?
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>Again, this is all very gross.
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>JC
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>about bashing
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>PS 1
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>Do you say that the NSA affair is no big deal. Who was behind it? The
>EU? India? Bantu? Nepal? It is very sad that once again the US is taken
>by the patrol. Again, and again. And you feel like this is not hurting
>everyone, including the US? And  you are surprised of the reactions
>coming with that affair. Even the I* understood that the situation had
>deteriorated to an un seen level of distrust. So, they had that to
>launch their Montevideo reaction and game. With grosse ficelle again. I
>don't know which consulting firm had this idea of the 1net, but I think
>it is not worth the money ICANN spent on it.
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>PS 2
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>The 'I must be on some committee...' Think about the asymmetric side of
>the story. Think about the resistance to change that we all see. Think
>about the way Cerf and the old guard launched an anti-UN campaign.
>Incredible!! Remember that the League of Nations was originated by a US
>president, never signed by his own congress; remember that for the
>second attempt, the UN was launched in San Francisco in 1945. What a
>sad thing to see that the asymmetric role of the US is largely emerging
>from that fascinating city. Why don't you accept the fact that the
>failure of the IGF is due largely to a bunch of people (pro-status quo
>priests) selling to the world their story of an ungovernable space, and
>all that crap... You have no eyes? And you do not want to see?
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>Le 9 janv. 2014 à 21:03, David Conrad a écrit :
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>My impression is that if Rod Beckstrom is portrayed as playing a
>significant role in the development of 1net, then what you are writing
>could be categorized under "story, fictional" (no criticism of Rod
>intended, just that he's been out of the picture for some time now).
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>I'm sorry, but can someone remind me of the purpose of this list?  It
>seems to have devolved into either a "bash everything even indirectly
>related to the US because the NSA spies" or a "I must be on some
>committee because I'm important" noise generator. While some of the
>conspiracy theories can be entertaining (in the Poe's Law sense) I'm
>having trouble seeing any particular value in either of these themes.
>Aren't there more important issues to discuss?
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>Regards,
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>-drc
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>On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
>Journal <HYPERLINK
>"mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net"jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>
>wrote:
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>You take out of my thoughts. Beckstrom is a great character in our
>story. Did you listen to him speaking at the preparatory meeting of the
>upcoming WEF this January in Davos? 100% fat.  He is part of my next
>paper. A great shot.
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>Le 9 janv. 2014 à 16:51, JFC Morfin a écrit :
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>At 16:04 09/01/2014, Jorge Amodio wrote:
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>So somebody is calling the shots right ?
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>Jorge,
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>may be are you forgetting who came from where through the National
>Cyber Security Center to direct ICANN during the three years of the
>OpenStand boostrap, preparation and signature period (HYPERLINK
>"http://www.beckstrom.com/"http://www.beckstrom.com). "Leaderless
>organizations are changing the world": in his book he explained he has
>experience and expertise in leading and fighting them. We most probably
>see this expertise and this experience partly in action. It would be
>surprising he had no say in the choice of his successor.
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>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Beckstrom explains why he disliked the
>NSA. Cybersurveillance is fun, but the need is for serious cyberdefense
>for all, i.e. the Sao Paulo's focus by a President who was no upset by
>the surveillance but by the penetration.  "People are creating new ways
>to break into your network every day". This is what MUST to be stopped.
>Amaterism is over. Paid or volunteers *professionnals* must take over.
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>jfc
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