[discuss] Interesting article

Tue Jan 14 14:08:43 UTC 2014

Probably this url: 
http://www.president.ee/en/official-duties/speeches/7589-the-president-of-estonia-at-the-international-conference-of-cyber-conflict-8-june-2012/index.html

On 1/14/2014 8:38 AM, Veni Markovski wrote:
> Nick,
> As someone, who has lived through two (May be even three) different 
> economic and political systems, I cannot agree with you on the lack of 
> credibility. There's no perfect country, but there are countries that 
> learn from their (bad/good) experience. And countries that don't. Same 
> with people. The way the Internet is coordinated has nothing to do 
> with what Mr. Snowden has revealed. I still ask people to go and read 
> at www.president.ee <http://www.president.ee> the speech the Estonian 
> president gave on June 8, 2012 at a cyber conference in Estonia (on 
> iPhone too difficult to find it but perhaps someone can publish the 
> URL?).
> Let us now try to take a blame - we, who have been developing the 
> multistakeholder model, and have managed to keep governments engaged 
> to a degree that helped our people (in my case - Bulgaria) get 
> affordable and fast Internet - we are not into the 
> NSA/any-other-agency business.
> Yes, this is being used by some to claim there's a need for an 
> oversight function of the ITU or another UN body over the Internet. 
> But, besides the rhetoric, I have not seen any evidence or fact how 
> this will improve the speed, accessibility to services, quality or 
> price of Internet access. With 7 million population and about 2000 
> Internet service providers in Bulgaria, I think we, at ISOC-Bulgaria, 
> who made that possible through legislation changes, do not feel guilty 
> and cannot take any blame for something some agency has or hasn't done 
> in the USA.
>
> On Tuesday, January 14, 2014, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
>
>     I would actually dissent from the conclusion of this article, that
>     the US and close allies should be exerting leadership. They can't
>     - not after Snowden, unless they aren't members of the 5-Eyes system.
>
>     Other countries, not a part of that system, need to be leading on
>     these issues. The 5-eyes simply don't have credibility anymore to
>     talk about the open Internet, and it actually irritates many
>     countries when they try to use the same, pre-Snowden messages. It
>     is counterproductive; they should take a back-seat and let /
>     encourage others to do the leading.
>
>
>
>     -- 
>
>     Regards,
>
>
>     Nick Ashton-Hart
>
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>     On 13 January 2014 21:52, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
>
>
>         Thanks. I've extracted the following passages:
>
>             What Lies Ahead -- So, what's next in this domain?  As I
>             just noted, the ITU's next plenipotentiary meeting will be
>             in South Korea from late October to early November 2014. 
>             Two events are on the horizon for that meeting.
>
>             First, some are talking about amending the Constitution of
>             the ITU. Doing so requires a two-thirds majority
>             <http://www.itu.int/net/about/basic-texts/constitution/chapterix.aspx>. 
>             The current proposals range from an ITU "oversight"
>             council to replacement of ICANN with ITU governing
>             structures.  The later prospect, in particular, would be
>             chilling and could result, in the end, on the amendment of
>             technical Internet Protocols and naming rules to foster
>             sovereign control of the network.  No drafts have yet been
>             produced -- and the Constitution requires that they be
>             published by April.  At that point we may see exactly what
>             steps might be proposed.
>
>             Bottom line:  The decision of some countries to not accede
>             to the Dubai ITRs has already raised the possibility of
>             degrading the interoperability of the network globally. 
>             Revisions to the IP creation process or the DNS naming
>             system might accelerate that degradation (since Western
>             nations are also unlikely to follow authoritarian IPs) and
>             accelerate the move toward the possibility of a "splinternet."
>
>             Still, amending the Constitution would be hard.  If we
>             take the 89-55 vote in Dubai as a baseline then those who
>             would change the ITU's Constitution to mandate internet
>             governance were short of the necessary majority in 2012 --
>             but perhaps not any longer.  For one thing, there were
>             many members who did not cast a ballot in Dubai -- total
>             ITU membership is 193 countries, so 55 is already fewer
>             than the 1/3 blocking minority necessary. More to the
>             point, however, those 55 votes have likely eroded since
>             Dubai -- thanks to Edward Snowden.
>
>
>         and
>
>             The second development is even more of a sleeper.  At the
>             Busan meeting, the ITU will elect a new Secretary-General.
>              The incumbent, Dr. Hamdan Toure of Mali, is term-limited.
>              As of today, there is only one announced candidate for
>             the position.  He brings to his candidacy a great deal of
>             experience, including, most recently as Deputy to Dr.
>             Toure in the ITU.  While such internal promotion is
>             laudable, I will be forgiven if I express a small amount
>             of concern -- the candidate is Dr. Houlin Zhao of China.
>              Thus, one plausible scenario would be for 2015 to see a
>             newly empowered ITU dealing with international internet
>             public policy issues, and perhaps even asserting authority
>             to create internet technical standards, under the
>             direction of Dr. Zhao.
>
>             One final note:  The US is not really paying attention.
>              Again, as of today we have yet to name an ambassadorial
>             rank leader for the US delegation.  And, frankly, I don't
>             think that the Executive Branch has as great a concern
>             about these events as I do.  There is a crying need,
>             however, for greater US engagement -- notwithstanding the
>             Snowden fall out.  More importantly, the US private sector
>             needs to recognize that the lack of a strong US gov
>
>
>
> -- 
> Best,
> Veni
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