[discuss] Selection RE: 1Net, Brazil and other RE: BR meeting site launched

[Vladimir Radunovic]

Michael,

 

I have missed that question with a purpose - there have been lots of
discussions on that, and in this thread I wanted to raise some other issues
for discussion as well.

 

I owe you my views on the issue of SC legitimacy as well, nevertheless: 

While I am not acquainted with the details of the selection process, I am
aware from discussions that it was not perfect. Yet I do find it a solid
base for improvements for future occasions, as for once civil society
managed to come up with something to further work on. Selecting the civil
society representatives is a complex issue, I am aware, as one can't use
classic "representational democracy" model - instead, we need to focus on
searching for persons with integrity and credibility, experience, skills and
knowledge that hopefully have strong support among the CS groups - those
persons we believe will fairly represent diversity of views that exist in
CS. My confidence in this selection process came from my confidence in the
nominating committee members and their integrity and credibility. If they
made mistakes as you say, I believe that - and doom me for that or call me
naive - it was not with mal intention and it is something they and all of us
can work on in future to improve. In all the circumstances I do think that
the SC is legitimate, though admitting the selection process needs
improvements. With all this, I do hope that also you believe in my personal
integrity and credibility to represent you and diversity of CS views in the
SC; if not, I will give my best to show that you should - and please help me
do that by both criticizing and supporting my takes.

 

Best!

 

                Vlada

 

 

 

 

From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] 
Sent: 15 January 2014 17:04
To: 'Vladimir Radunovic'; discuss at 1net.org
Subject: RE: [discuss] 1Net, Brazil and other RE: BR meeting site launched

 

Vlada,

 

It seems to me that you have missed the first and most significant question
which needs to be asked i.e. on what basis do you derive the legitimacy to
undertake any of the tasks as indicated in your subsequent questions.  

 

Contra Milton, you cannot simply pull this legitimacy and authority to act
out of the air, assume it by some form of divine right, seize it through the
de facto occupancy of some type of electronic space or other similarly
illegitimate contrivance.  

 

Your legitimacy has in this instance, to come from the identification of a
constituency who, through a set of agreed upon procedures have granted you
that legitimacy to act on their behalf so long as your actions are
consistent with those procedures. In this case, you (or rather your
nominators) have misidentified your constituency (as being representative of
all of CS as a stakeholder group), failed to identify a set of appropriate
procedures on the basis of which your legitimacy could be granted
(appropriately transparent and accountable selection procedures for your
individual nominations) and only function on the basis of an external body
(1net) having accorded you legitimacy even though they themselves quite
evidently lack any form of  legitimacy as per the above .

 

Mike

 

From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf
Of Vladimir Radunovic
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:07 PM
To: discuss at 1net.org
Subject: [discuss] 1Net, Brazil and other RE: BR meeting site launched

 

Dear colleagues, 

 

ahead of the first (and constitutive) meeting of the 1Net Steering committee
in the following days, and thinking about the substantial questions related
to 1Net (many been discussed already on this list), please share your views
on the following:

1.       How do you see the role and potentials of 1Net? What should be its
task in a wider IG context? 

(Taking into account the discussed views that it might have been started
with particular intentions and following particular interests, but now
providing (or hoping) that 1Net would be able to resist these and gradually
establish its legitimacy in the wider community)

2.       What should be the role of 1Net towards major IG fora - IGF, ICANN,
ITU, and other?

3.       What relation should 1Net have with the Brazil meeting? 

The Brazilian organisers suggested in a press release (and as Anja
clarified: 1Net has not been consulted on nor has decided on any of these,
so we can only understand this as suggestions) several roles for 1Net,
including the "partnership" in organising the Brazil event... Should 1Net be
a partner, and if so how should it contribute to Brazil meeting (and how it
should not)?

 

I am sure all the members of the Steering Committee would appreciate variety
of views on these.

Thank you!

 

Best,

 

                Vlada

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